Alfred or George Boxall? 15 year brick wall!

[KentishChris]

Hello all,

I’m inching closer to a 15 year brick wall, with the help of DNA and ChatGPT (believe it or not!).

I have managed to work out that my great grandfather, as I have previously asked about (George Horn), is not the son of William Horn, despite him being listed on the birth certificate.

As mentioned, I have worked out that it is either Alfred Boxall (1870-) or George Boxall (1875-)ish, through DNA links and with ChatGPTs brain of where those links fall in the tree.

I have found quite a bit about Alfred although I struggle to see how his path would meet with Violet Kemp Horn(e)’s (new Thomson).
I cannot find much about George and even his census records have been difficult to locate. With Violet living in Scotland and then appearing to travel to Chile and later Australia, and having her son, George, in Croydon, I wonder whether it’s the latter.

Both the son of William Boxall (1842-1912) and Jane Pullen (1842-1926).
Both born in Kirdford, Sussex.
Alfred appears to marry a Lucy Till later on.

If anyone is able to assist here, that would be amazing!
Thanks in advance

[LizzieL]

Looking at your many previous posts on this family, it would appear George Lamont Horn was born on 3 Nov 1903, and his mother did not arrive in Liverpool from Chile until 16 March 1902.
Depending on the time the voyage took, George would be conceived just before she left or on board.
William Horn and Violet were divorced in Scotland in 1906. So William was still alive at that point.,
Details can be ordered her
https://www.scottishindexes.com/csdentry.aspx?id=450606037
If she was unfaithful and William divorced her it may name a co-respondent.

[rosie99]

Newspaper article in Greenock Telegraph and ..... on March 20th 1906 mentions Violet Kemp Thomson and William Horn -
Summing it up
Violet divorced William on the grounds of desertion (he was now in Fremantle, Western Australia) ... parties were married in South America .... Violet had followed him out to SA where they married, after 2 1/2 years she returned to Greenock to see her mother and stayed there for 21 months.  When she returned to SA William had developed a drinking habit, in 1901 he lost his job and they both headed back home.  He left Violet at Valparaiso and when she arrived in this country a month or two afterwards she found he had left for Australia.   She had no knowledge of his whereabouts.  Decree of divorce was granted


ADDED The Scotsman 19th March 1906 gives more details of the divorce

[ShaunJ]

Looking at your many previous posts on this family, it would appear George Lamont Horn was born on 3 Nov 1903, and his mother did not arrive in Liverpool from Chile until 16 March 1902.
Depending on the time the voyage took, George would be conceived just before she left or on board.

A 20 month pregnancy?

[LizzieL]

Looking at your many previous posts on this family, it would appear George Lamont Horn was born on 3 Nov 1903, and his mother did not arrive in Liverpool from Chile until 16 March 1902.
Depending on the time the voyage took, George would be conceived just before she left or on board.

A 20 month pregnancy?

Oops, I got my sums wrong. conceived Jan / feb 1903

[KentishChris]

That’s where my suspicions first arose. If Violet was telling the truth about being deserted and William leaving for Australia before she’d arrived back in the UK, that meant he couldn’t have been George’s father.

With then having no DNA links whatsoever for the Horn side of my family and then finding links that were connected that I couldn’t place on my tree; it all started to add up.

With the Boxall family heavily centred around Sussex, it makes me wonder why Violet was in Croydon (where she gave birth to George). I wonder if she met either of them on the voyage?