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Hiding in Tasmania
« on: Wednesday 05 March 25 10:36 GMT (UK) »
Various people here have put in major contributions to this ongoing mystery of a couple having an affair in 1905 in the UK who ran away to NZ.  I have a lot of information about what they were up to, the divorce case, trying to sell properties and so on.  There are various long threads here which are findable with the names Christiana I'Anson/Whitfield or Isaiah Oldbury.  Pretty scandalous stuff at the time!

But it seems, to try to avoid the Divorce case and the huge monetary awards which were likely to come from that, they put their properties in NZ up for sale and ran away to Tasmania whilst things died down.  At least one of the properties didn't sell immediately and sometime around 1909/1911 the couple split anyway, he going back to his farm in NZ and she disappearing to Sea Lake in Victoria.

But at the moment I'm struggling to find anything about their short stay in Tasmania (likely to have been little more than 18 months).  I have no locations, the information came from an article written long after the event by a family member and is almost certainly true as she would have spoken to Christiana's children, who would have been taken there.  The story is that there was a fire at the Tasmania property and it was burnt to the ground. I think the date would have been in 1911 or just prior. Does anyone have any suggestions about where to start looking?  The problem is that the couple often used fake names.  For instance they may have used North in Tasmania.  I know Isaiah Oldbury returned to the UK in 1919 and used the name John Wilson and carried on doing so once he was back, right up to his death.  So he has a death certificate in one name and his Probate in another...  She seems to have used Whitfield, I'Anson & Oldbury.  She also used the name Maydwell but I think this may only have come into play after she left Tasmania.

Any pointers in the right direction would be hugely appreciated!

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Re: Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 March 25 22:16 GMT (UK) »
One extra snippet. The property in Tasmania was in New Norfolk...

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Re: Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 March 25 01:28 GMT (UK) »
I had a quick look on Trove used search "New Norfolk and fire", in 1911 there are a couple or articles regarding a fire that destroyed 2 homes

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50504811?searchTerm=fire%20New%20Norfolk
 
May I suggest if you have some spare time, you could have a real good search of Trove, fingers crossed that you find something that may help your search

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Re: Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 March 25 02:16 GMT (UK) »
I too looked at house fires New Norfolk in the relevant period.

The names appearing in connection with the fires were.
Hay (e)
Bradshaw
A Russell 1911 EDIT to add date
A bit later - W Eiszele
The owner of some properties was Downie.

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Re: Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 March 25 02:18 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if the article found by Cass is the correct family, though it sounds likely!

There is this birth registered to Sydney Hay and Lillian (CHETTERS) at New Norfolk:
11 Oct 1908  Sydney Robert

Sydney HAY married Lillian CHATTERS 18 Feb 1907 in Hobart

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Re: Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 March 25 07:07 GMT (UK) »
Adding the link to the news item in 1911 which I mentioned above
Mr A Russell lost all belongings except the things he and his family were wearing.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/178343032?searchTerm=%22fire%20new%20norfolk%22~6

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Re: Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 March 25 07:23 GMT (UK) »
This further item says Mr A RUSSELL was occupying the cottage with wife and family which was near the Bryn Estyn  Estate owned by Mr HEDBERG.  A Russell was an employee there.
Children are mentioned, but not by name.


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/10105779?searchTerm=%22fire%20new%20norfolk%20%20bryn%22~12
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Re: Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 March 25 13:52 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much for this, I'm going to investigate.  The Trove page seems to be down right now but I'll be there asap.  I really do appreciate all the help I get here!
I've also been looking at how they got to Tasmania and also how they left.  Their nearest port in NZ was Lyttleton and the nearest port to New Norfolk is Hobart.  I can see the journey was anything from 4 to 7 days depending on the weather.  The journey from Hobart to Melbourne was much shorter, probably 1 1/2 to 2 days.  I've found some passengers lists but I need to do a bit more digging as there are only a few immediately available...

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Re: Hiding in Tasmania
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 08 March 25 03:40 GMT (UK) »
As a born and bred and still current resident of the New Norfolk district I can say the surnames Hay, Bradshaw and Eiszle were well established family names even in the 1910's and unlikely to be used as alias' or pseudonyms. Everyone knew everyone...

If it was Mr A Russell mentioned in the June 1911 Bryn Estyn fire article it was perhaps Albert John Henry Russell who had a son Kenneth born in 1909 and might have been the child got out by his wife Elsie -  https://libraries.tas.gov.au/Digital/RGD33-4-28/D9ADEE3C-FE77-4C57-A71E-7212DDC65BB (his brother Keith was born at Bryn Estyn in 1913 - https://libraries.tas.gov.au/Record/NamesIndex/2112501)

Lots of families passing through the district in that time period for seasonal work be it for hop tying, hop picking, small fruit picking you name it. Isaiah and Christina may have been such and perhaps were staying with one of the families mentioned in the fire articles but not necessarily getting a mention in papered articles...