name BILBRINE

[lnr]

 I have a marriage cert 13 July Spinster   1863 parish of Swansea Glamorgan for a John Massey full age   batch labourer father Charles Massey to Jane BILBRINE full age spinster father Peter Bilbrine Miller I am looking for Jane. Found her 1861 census Bishopston Glamorgan as Jane BILBORNIE aged 19 so born abt 1842 she was a servant ( dairy maid) and said she was born Scotland  working for a George BROADWOODHave looked scotlands people under all sorts of names and different censuses. John & jane came to NZ with their family on the Edwin Fox 1878 John died 1916 and buried Omaka cem NZ Jane was still in Wairau 1919. The will for a Jane Massey whom died Sumner and buried at Timaru is not her 1916 so where did she go and what could be possible spellings for her maiden name thanks lnr

[mckha489]

there is a Jean BALBIRNIE in the 1851 census Scotland age 8. so born c 1843.
she is a scholar pauper. born Dundee, Forfar, lodging in a household at Balkirrie

I can only see the indexed transcript on Ancestry. Would that image be worth getting?
I cannot see a baptism for that Jean


But is this her death?

1919/11669   Massey   Jean Bilbernie   76Y

[Forfarian]

If you look on the quick search at Scotland's People for Bilbrine there is not one single reference, and Jane's marriage is the only reference on FreeBMD, so it looks as if Bilbrine must be a mistranscription.

Do you have an image of the original certificate to see what it actually says? If not, get a copy from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/app_select.asp

Do you have information suggesting that she was from Perthshire?

There's an 8-year-old Jean Balbirnie, scholar pauper, born Forfar, a lodger in a household in the 1851 census in Eassie, Angus.

As she is described as a pauper, and it's after 1845 when the Poor Law system was overhauled,there should have been records of her in the Forfar Parochial Board records. I am not convinced that these have survived, but you could ask Angus Archives https://visitangus.com/things-to-see-do/attractions/angus-archives/

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Family in 1871 ref 5457 42 22 

MASSEY, EMMA  JANE     mmn BURNIE 
GRO Reference: 1865  M Quarter in SWANSEA  Volume 11A  Page 563

MASSY, MARY  ANN     mmn BALTARNY 
GRO Reference: 1866  D Quarter in SWANSEA  Volume 11A  Page 572

MASSEY, JENNETT  LOUISA     mmn BILBERNIE 
GRO Reference: 1869  M Quarter in SWANSEA  Volume 11A  Page 626

MASSEY, CHARLES  HENRY     mmn BURNEY 
GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in SWANSEA  Volume 11A  Page 574

SS

[hanes teulu]

I'd tracked mother's maiden name via Birth registrations. I don't think William Joseph part of family, should be -
Albert John, reg Dec Qtr 1877, Swansea, 11a 702 - mother Burns

The 5 children cross check to parish baptisms and passenger list of family's assisted emigration to Marlborough 1878.

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MASSEY, EDWARD  JOHN     BILBIRNIE 
GRO Reference: 1872  S Quarter in SWANSEA  Volume 11A  Page 620

SS

[hanes teulu]

I was also checking out Edith (bap next Edward John, bap 1yr 7mths old 1874)), bap 5 weeks old** 1874, parents John and Jane, father Horsekeeper, address Pottery St.
There's a June Qtr, 1874 birth registration for Edith, mother Burnell.

**Baptised between 4th and 14th Jun.

[lnr]

Thanks so much for all these thoughts always good to get another side to the story very much appreciated will follow these up lnr

[lnr]

I would also like to know what happened to Mary Ann Massey who came to Nz born 1866 Glamorgan Wales She was on electoral rolls at Wairau for a while as a nurse then gone thanks lnr