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Need a rant - Anc*stry Trees and thru lines
« on: Wednesday 02 April 25 11:10 BST (UK) »
Sorry, need a rant!

I regularly look at Ancestry Trees to help my research but I ALWAYS, without fail, check the information therein. Haven’t kept statistics but I would say a significant majority of these trees are poor quality (polite euphemism).

In the latest example, I have an ancestor who was (according to almost every one of 40+ trees!) allegedly born in Middlesex in the 1780s and then taken a few days later to Wiltshire in order to be baptised. She allegedly then survived until after 1851; in the 1841 Census she was enumerated in her married name but reverted to her maiden name for the 1851!

What worries me is that Thru Lines is based on these fairy tales.

I’m regularly being told I have a common ancestor with a DNA match where the match is on my paternal side but thru lines extends back to my maternal line. And vice-versa.
 
It’s worth noting that Thru Lines is an anagram for u lern this. This makes another anagram!
Rant over.

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Stiles/Styles - Essex, Cambs, Herts, Beds, Middx
Goodyear and Chandler, London Middlesex.
McKew - East London (Mile End, Bethnal Grn, Etc)
Edge - Buckinghamshire
Wyatt, William - supposedly born Greenwich 2 April 1861
Butler, Annie Born 1843 ish
Smith - Kingsclere, Hampshire 1750-1800

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Re: Need a rant - Anc*stry Trees and thru lines
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 11:21 BST (UK) »
I think people are generally aware of the fact that Thru Lines data is based on other people's trees, but I've been very impressed with it. It's not perfect, but it has helped me no end. The one thing I'd point out though is have you considered that some of your tree might actually be connected to ancestors on your paternal and maternal side?  I've got one or two like that.

Zaph

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Re: Need a rant - Anc*stry Trees and thru lines
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 11:31 BST (UK) »
I'd guess that maybe 1% of connections in Ancestry trees are incorrect, later than 1800, and more before that.

A big part of the issue is that Ancestry suggests people add more generations to their tree from others. So once one person makes an error, then it gets copied by people who don't know how to research properly.

Not long ago a cousin of my father popped up as a match. I sent him a lengthy file based on proper research. He promptly ignored it went about adding a bunch of Ancestry suggestions to his tree, including a number of casual and catastrophic errors.

When you meet such people in life you may hear things such as "Oh, I've researched the family tree." When in reality they've just copied "research" without question. Other common lines are, "We go back to the 12th century", ... William the conqueror or Charlemagne... Maybe. But the paper trial is more likely to be dubious.

I am very careful with making connections with DNA, because it's easy to make connections where there is no overlap with trees and DNA, if you don't know what you are doing.

The worst one I have found in my tree is an ancestor Janet Hamilton was born c 1793 in Ayrshire, Scotland. Her father is given as Alexander Hamilton, b. 1786 in New York City, who is in turn the son of Alexander Hamilton, 1st Secretary of the Treasury of the US. This has been copied into many trees. But on her death certificate, which costs about £1.50 to order, the parents are listed as something else.

It's also common to see many trees with mad scrabbles back though the 16th-18th centuries. Maybe there is a baptism in Cornwall, the line then goes to Maryland, US, then Lincolnshire, and before ending in South Wales.

I also find that US immigrant lines back to the UK tend to be incredibly unreliable.

But from the perspective of DNA the trees are immensely useful. If Ancestry didn't have this vast repository of often shaky trees, I would be missing a few lines I have solved with DNA. You just need to know the pitfalls and what is possible with paper and DNA trials.

Personally I don't even use Thru-lines. To be sure of the information you can extract from DNA matches, you need to go through all of them down to 20cM and more of the shared matches below 20cM. If you have ancestors in a concentrated area, clusters of matches can become jumbled due to overlapping on more than one line. For a long time I thought that one of my lines was via an NPE. But when I systematically went through all matches I found that I had two lines where almost all of the matches shared 2+ lines of ancestry.

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Re: Need a rant - Anc*stry Trees and thru lines
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 11:51 BST (UK) »
I don't stand by it 100%, but if people have got more than two or three thousand people in their tree, I really don't think they can be properly researched.  I rarely bother looking at them.

I know some people will say they've got five thousand (or often many more) in their tree and it's all properly researched, which is why I said I don't stand by my first statement 100%. Most people seem to forget that even if one or two percent of births are not down to the known father, it makes a mockery of everything that happened earlier, and possibly later.  Also, if people haven't been DNA tested I'm less likely to be enthusiastic about their tree.

Zaph


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Re: Need a rant - Anc*stry Trees and thru lines
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 14:26 BST (UK) »
Have I considered some of my tree might actually be connected to ancestors on both my paternal and maternal sides? Yes I have, though I have not yet found any. On the flip side, I have found 3 DNA matches who connect with me on both sides of my ancestry, the closest being a 3rd Cousin 1xremoved on my paternal side and 5th Cousin 1xRemoved on my maternal side.

I acknowledge that some of the thru lines have been very useful, but it is quite very tiring sorting the wheat from the chaff. I am very lucky; both my parents tested with ancestry so my first port of call is to check the predicted side of my ancestry. BUT this in turn brings up other anomalies; I have two DNA matches who are not matches to either of my parents! Am I the only researcher with three biological parents?!

There are nearly 6,500 persons in my tree. Every fact, including name and gender, is sourced. Nothing goes in unless I'm certain. It is now my practise as I go back each generation to try and find siblings and then develop the lines of those siblings forward towards the present day, in the hope this will identify more Common Ancestry connections amongst my DNA matches. The unidentified residue will then be the ones most likely to be able to help break down my brick walls.
Stiles/Styles - Essex, Cambs, Herts, Beds, Middx
Goodyear and Chandler, London Middlesex.
McKew - East London (Mile End, Bethnal Grn, Etc)
Edge - Buckinghamshire
Wyatt, William - supposedly born Greenwich 2 April 1861
Butler, Annie Born 1843 ish
Smith - Kingsclere, Hampshire 1750-1800

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Re: Need a rant - Anc*stry Trees and thru lines
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 14:38 BST (UK) »
I have 175 Thrulines / Common Ancestor DNA matches.

Of those there are 147 who have been included in my tree.

So there are 28 Thrulines that are dubious.

Of those 28 there are 14 that I have assigned to the TLW Group (Thru Lines Wrong).

Typically Grandparents born and raised and died in the UK.

Son born and raised and died in the USA.

Grandchild born and raised and died in the UK.

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Re: Need a rant - Anc*stry Trees and thru lines
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 14:42 BST (UK) »
I would guess that 147 out of 175 is about the same proportion of good ones that I found, although I haven't been lucky enough to have that many.

In my tree of 2,000 members, I've identified 35 to 40 from DNA matches.  Some were already in my tree, and some have been added as a result of research into my shared matches. While I'm here I will emphasize how important looking at shared matches can be. It can really help you cluster some of them into small groups of interrelated people.

Zaph

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Re: Need a rant - Anc*stry Trees and thru lines
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 03 April 25 17:05 BST (UK) »
I have a cousin who is green as grass with family history, they did a test and within days had a tree of 1,000 names. It takes  a wrong turn four generations in but so do dozens of others.

I can't blame Ancestry or Thrulines for the way she misuses them or for ignoring her dna results.

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Re: Need a rant - Anc*stry Trees and thru lines
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 03 April 25 21:03 BST (UK) »
I like to distinguish Thru Lines from Common Ancestors although I suppose they're really the same thing.

Thru Lines I take to mean the suggestion of parents for my Tree Tops, these are 100% useless for me.

Common Ancestors being the connection from a point on my tree to a DNA match. These I find very useful being able to make connections via one or more (possibly private) third party trees which I would never have found. These have given me hundreds of connections and although not 100% is very useful.

What I really want is a way to reject a suggestion so that Ancestry will suggest a different connection. I can block the Thru Lines by creating an unknown parent but what I want is further suggestions.