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Help unblocking dead end with Annie Santer (b. 1863)
« on: Thursday 03 April 25 22:10 BST (UK) »
Hi all I'm looking for help with figuring out what happened to an ancestor of mine.

The person in question went by several names, which complicates things:

  • Ann Santer (b. 16 March 1863, Golford, Cranbrook, Kent) - this is the name and date/place of birth on her birth certificate
  • Anne Maria Santer (baptised 7 June 1863, Sissinghurst) - this is the name she was baptised under
  • Annie Santer - this is the name she appears under in the 1881 census and on the record of her marriage
  • Annie Santer/Saunter married William Boorman on 17 October 1885 in Cranbrook, Kent - this was definitely her as her father had the right name (Charles Santer)

My dilemma is that I can discover nothing concrete about Annie at all after her wedding - I can find no trace of her or William in the 1891 census or in any later census. I can also find no corresponding death. There are other people with the names 'William Boorman' and 'Annie Boorman', but I have been able to establish that they are different people (one 'Annie M Boorman' married to a 'William L Boorman' had a different maiden name, and an 'Annie Boorman' appearing in the 1901 census was born in Cranbrook c. 1864 but was single at the time).

So I'm pretty stumped and wondering if anyone could help unblock this line of investigation for me. I only have access to UK records so it may be that they emigrated elsewhere, and I'd be very grateful for any help anyone could offer. Thank you!

(n.b. I've done DNA and there are no matches via Annie, so that's no help.)
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Re: Help unblocking dead end with Annie Santer (b. 1863)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 April 25 22:30 BST (UK) »
Have you checked GRO online for Boorman births with mmn Santer

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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Re: Help unblocking dead end with Annie Santer (b. 1863)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 03 April 25 22:32 BST (UK) »
Have you checked GRO online for Boorman births with mmn Santer

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Yes and could find nothing :(
Virgin, Mogford, Grant, Clay, Moss, Santer, Arkle

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Re: Help unblocking dead end with Annie Santer (b. 1863)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 03 April 25 22:42 BST (UK) »
Long shot

What do you know about William?  There is a Maria Boorman death in 1890 aged 28. May not be her - but if it is - William may have remarried.   Have you tried looking for just him on the 1901 census?

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Re: Help unblocking dead end with Annie Santer (b. 1863)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 03 April 25 22:58 BST (UK) »
Long shot

What do you know about William?  There is a Maria Boorman death in 1890 aged 28. May not be her - but if it is - William may have remarried.   Have you tried looking for just him on the 1901 census?
Thanks for your help with this - unfortunately William is proving a very frustrating mystery. The only concrete information about him comes from a note attached to the marriage record on the BMD, which reads:

St Dunstans Cranbrook
17 Oct 1885
William Boorman & Annie Santer
Fathers:
Robert Boorman - Charles Santer

So all I know is they got married in Cranbrook and his father's name was Robert Boorman - I don't even have his age for certain. There are four William Boormans on the GRO listed as having their births registered in Cranbrook between 1845 and 1865 (the most likely range) - two William Boormans born in 1851, and two William Henry Boormans (one born in 1855, and one born in 1856). In the 1861 census, there are only two William Boormans born in Cranbrook in the right range and the father of one is a William Boorman and the father of the other is a Thomas Boorman.

The most likely candidate for the one who married Annie Santer seems to be this guy who appears in the 1881 census, but I can't find a birth record for him to confirm who his parents were (from my search, there were no births of children called William Boorman in Cranbrook in 1861):

Name   William Boorman
Age   20
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1861
Relationship to Head   Workman
Gender   Male
Where born   Cranbrook, Kent, England
Civil parish   Guestling
County/Island   Sussex
Country   England
Street Address   Guestling Thorne
Occupation   Blacksmith Journeyman
Virgin, Mogford, Grant, Clay, Moss, Santer, Arkle

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Re: Help unblocking dead end with Annie Santer (b. 1863)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 03 April 25 23:22 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage
Dec 1894 East Preston 2b 756
Boorman, Annie Maria
Couchman, George

They are in Godstone, Surrey, in 1901
Annie Couchman, 37, born Cranbrook, Kent
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9X6-FK4

1911
Annie M Couchman, 47, born Cranbrook, Kent
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW8N-2Z6

1921 Annie's transcribed age is 58 years 3 months

Some births
COUCHMAN, ANNIE       
Mother's Maiden Surname: SAUNTER 
GRO Reference: 1899  D Quarter in GODSTONE  Volume 02A  Page 197

COUCHMAN, SUSANNA       
Mother's Maiden Surname: SAUNTER 
GRO Reference: 1905  J Quarter in GODSTONE  Volume 02A  Page 224

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Re: Help unblocking dead end with Annie Santer (b. 1863)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 April 25 23:29 BST (UK) »
From the marriage 1885

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tqn/

Both are of full age residing in Cranbrook, William and father Robert are labourers
Marriage witneses George Dunster, June Santer

***Added William as bachelor

Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: Help unblocking dead end with Annie Santer (b. 1863)
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 03 April 25 23:53 BST (UK) »
1891
East Malling, Kent, England

George Buchman 52   Head, lab, Wittersham, Kent, (image is age 32)
Annie Buchman   28   Wife, Cranbrook, Kent,

Image is Couchman

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Re: Help unblocking dead end with Annie Santer (b. 1863)
« Reply #8 on: Friday 04 April 25 09:11 BST (UK) »
Wow I can't thank you all enough! This is fantastic detective work and I'm so grateful. This fills a gap I've had in the tree for years and it's amazing to find a whole new branch. Thanks all!

While I'm here I thought it might be worth asking about Annie's brother. In the 1851, 1861 and 1871 censuses, a man named 'Charles Santer' born in 1845 in Cranbrook appears. He's listed in the census as the son of Charles and Susanna (need Kadwell) Santer, which would make him the brother of Annie. I can't find his birth in the GRO.

I can't find any marriage or death for him or any trace of him after the 1871 census - if anyone can work their magic on him if they're so inclined, that would be amazing. Someone else has him down as 'Charles William Santer and dying in Sissinghurst in 1882, but that appears to be incorrect as far as I can tell.
Virgin, Mogford, Grant, Clay, Moss, Santer, Arkle