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Robbs in & around Lisburn
« on: Sunday 20 April 25 13:43 BST (UK) »
I'm struggling with the origins of a Thomas Robb (I'm in Australia, with public library access to Ancestry). What I know is that:

1.) he married Anna Cunningham in 1853 (in Saintfield)
2.) he married Mary McNeight in 1858 (in Magheragall)
3.) he had a daughter, Jane Anna, prob. 1859
4.) a son, John, June 1861 (although I can't document the June)
5.) he got himself into the newspapers in 1861, stealing (allegedly) his wife's brother's cashbox
6.) he took the family to Australia in late 1861, arriving 1862
7.) I have his life in Australia moderately well covered if anyone is interested

I also have a Mary Ann Robb who married Robert Longwill in 1859; a Thomas Robb was one of the witnesses.

According to the various marriage certificates, Thomas's and Mary's father was called Andrew. On the 1853 & 1858 certificates, Andrew is described as a soldier; on Mary's in 1859, a printer.

What I would like to find is a specific birth date for Thomas, and more about his parents, and potentially other relatives. The Ireland genealogy site hasn't helped much for Andrew. Of course he (they all) may have been born elsewhere. There's some information from 1873 suggesting Thomas considered himself Scottish.

Can anyone help me with sources? I know about the 1922 fire, but I wondered if there might be alternative records/archives in the North?

thanks in anticpation

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Re: Robbs in & around Lisburn
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 April 25 14:35 BST (UK) »
Civil registration of births (as well as deaths & Catholic marriages started in 1864, from 1845 for non-Catholic marriages) so there will be no birth certificate and you need to locate church records to see if a baptism record survives. Do you know what religion the family were?

In 1853 Thomas Robb's occupation was painter and the ceremony was at Saintfield Church of Ireland-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09452/5424923.pdf
Marriages usually take place in the bride's church.

The second marriage in 1858 was Presbyterian-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1858/09553/5463392.pdf

The marriage of Robert Longwill and Mary Ann Robb (age 19 so born c1840) took place in Alfred St. Presbyterian Church, Belfast. Her father also Andrew Robb but is his occupation painter (like Thomas Robb) rather than printer?
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1859/09564/5467841.pdf
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Re: Robbs in & around Lisburn
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 April 25 14:43 BST (UK) »
Marriage of William Robb of Saintfield in 1848 (Saintfield COI) lists father as Andrew Robb, carver & gilder-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1848/09351/5386329.pdf

Wonder if these might also be related somehow?
James Robb, widower, painter, Lisburn, son of Robert Robb, painter-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1894/10578/5853478.pdf

James Robb's first marriage in 1882 was Methodist (James age 21 so born c1861)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10982/8014710.pdf

Looks like James Robb's father was related!
Marriage of Robert Robb, painter, Rosstrevor, father Andrew Robb, soldier-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1858/09551/5462902.pdf

Lots more to find in civil registrations.
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Re: Robbs in & around Lisburn
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 20 April 25 15:57 BST (UK) »
Mary Ann Longwell (nee Robb), widow, with some family in 1901-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Falls_Ward/Cupar_Street/979797/
Daughter Francess Charlott Longwell, age 23 in household.

Birth of Florence Steel, Mary Ann Longwell's granddaughter was born 1898-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1898/02076/1792485.pdf (Florence Madeline, daughter of James Steel & Florence Charlotte Longwell)

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Re: Robbs in & around Lisburn
« Reply #6 on: Monday 21 April 25 00:17 BST (UK) »
thanks for all this; the William Robb m/c is intriguing indeed, because he is marrying a Cunningham, whose father is a cooper, exactly as was Thomas's first wife. it's interesting b/c of a new profession for the father Andrew Robb, carver/gilder. i think that fits quite will with printer (i don't think it's painter, despite the sons' professions, b/c there are 'a''s for comparison) but complicates the problem of 'soldier'.

On religion, Thomas Robb would have
married anyone who could buy him a drink… But I would guess Presbyterian.

i'll have to look into James & Richard too. cheers, thanks again

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Re: Robbs in & around Lisburn
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 April 25 00:30 BST (UK) »
...... it's interesting b/c of a new profession for the father Andrew Robb, carver/gilder. i think that fits quite will with printer (i don't think it's painter, despite the sons' professions, b/c there are 'a''s for comparison) but complicates the problem of 'soldier'.

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A gilder is more associated with being a painter than a printer.  Gilding like marbling was a specialised part of painting esp in older more palatial houses where they might have applied gilding to decorative elements such as a boss.
'In architecture, a "boss" is a decorative element, typically a knob or projection, found at the intersection of ribs or vaults in a ceiling or wall. These bosses, often made of stone or wood, serve both structural and ornamental purposes, adding visual interest and sometimes helping to support the structure. They are commonly seen in Gothic architecture, particularly in cathedrals and churches, where they are often elaborately carved with various motifs.'

(Mrs Google) 

Reading up I can see where the carver comes in as often the painting would involve restoration of missing pieces of the decorative pieces before applying the gilding. 

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Re: Robbs in & around Lisburn
« Reply #8 on: Monday 21 April 25 04:11 BST (UK) »
Ah, well, now that's interesting. So it becomes a question of handwriting. "Painter" certainly makes good narrative sense since, assuming it's all the same Andrew Robb, three of his sons were unambiguously painters.

But in the attachment you can see the "r" in printer and contrast it with the "a" in Shaw, just below. And my bigger problem is whether he was a soldier between 1849-58.