John Abergale Evans (1867-1945) married Mary Davies

[ellenmaggie]

Hello,  I am wondering whether anyone can help me.  I am trying to find out more about John Abergale Evans and his wife Mary Davies.  A DNA match led me to them and I am trying to connect my tree to them - the link I think maybe Mary Davies.

I believe John Evans (I am assuming the Abergale came about because he was born in Abergele) to be the son of Edward Evans (1835-1886) and Elizabeth Jones.  Trees I have found have John Evans married to Mary Davies (1875-1995).  My research led me to the Welsh settlers in Chubut Argentina as the trees I am looking at have John and Mary married on 6th May 1893 in Chubut, but as yet I have not found any record to confirm this.   John's father Edward apparently died in Chubut in 1886, so if the family I have found on the 1881 census is correct (living at 8 Crown Street, Abergele) the family must have travelled to Argentina between 1881 and 1886.   Is there anywhere I can see passenger list for ships to Argentina? 

I am also trying to ascertain who Mary Davies is - most trees have her date of birth as 1st March 1875 born at Ystradgynlais, Breconshire, Wales but again I have found no sources to back that up and if she is the Mary Davies on my tree she would have been born in 1879 in Harwarden to John Davies (born 1847) and Elizabeth (born in 1841).   So I am trying to see if I can find a record of their marriage in Chubut to see if it will tell me more about them.   

Both John and Mary died in Western Australia.

TIA  Ellenmaggie

[gc1]

General info

Name: John Abergale Evans
Birth Date: 15 Nov 1867
Death Date: 22 Dec 1945
Event Type: Burial
Event Place: Karrakatta, Nedlands City, Western Australia, Australia

[gc1]

Could this be them on Family Search
Based you quote " Mary Davies born at Ystradgynlais, Breconshire, Wales:

Name   John Evans
Spouse's Name   Mary Ann Davies
Spouse's Residence Place   St John
Event Type   Marriage Banns
Event Date   22 Jun 1902
Event Place   Breconshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Page Number   92
Affiliate Publication Number   189

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCKQ-QXB?lang=en

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Possible 1901 Census on Family Search

Name   Mary Davies
Sex   Female
Age   25
Birth Year (Estimated)   1876
Birthplace   Ystradgynlais, Brecknockshire
Marital Status   Single
Relationship to Head of Household   Daughter
Event Type   Census
Event Date   31 Mar 1901
Event Place   Ystradgynlais Higher, Breconshire, Wales
Sub-District   Pontardawe
Registration District   Pontardawe
Household Identifier   6810981
Record Type   Household
Page Number   10
Piece/Folio   133
Schedule Type   60

Parents: Daniel and Ellenor not the couple you have so this maybe another Mary who married another John Evans and possibly has got mixed in with your Mary. Very confusing Sorry 


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSMD-J58?lang=en

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
1895 census Rawson Chubut Argentina
Juan Evans 28 England Agriculture
Maria 20 married  They have 1 child and have been married 2 years
Edwardo Evans 1 Chubut Argentina
Emma Davies 9 England
So yes married in 1893.
The census is on Ancestry.

ps Chubut 1895 at Gaiman
Elizabeth Evans 64 Brittania 14 children married 33 or 35
Robert 26 Brittania agriculture

Ciderdrinker

[ellenmaggie]

thank you all and thank you ciderdrinker - I have found the census on Ancestry!   I didn't know it was there, so thank you.     I am not convinced yet that Mary was from Breconshire as I haven't found anything to support that other than her name and date of birth.   But there are sooooo many Mary Davies and from experience a date of birth can be transcribed wrongly so I prefer to see an original document before I make my decision on whether it is her or not.

But thanks again for your help.   Off I go to look at the 1895 Census in detail.   Ellenmaggie

[ellenmaggie]

I have now managed to find supporting documentation for John Evans and his family in Chubut, Argentina.   I have also confirmed that he is the son of Edward Evans born in Abergele in 1836 (according to th 1861 census) and Elizabeth Hughes born abt 1835 in Llysfaen, Caernarvonshire.  So far I have found nine children - Hugh, William, Evan, Jane, Elizabeth, John, Robert, Anne and Edward.

Edward and Elizabeth, John and Robert (not sure about the rest of the family) must have taken the opportunity to go to Patagonia.   As yet John is the only one I have confirmed - still working on the rest.

I have found baptismal records for John and Mary's children Edward (4years and 10 months old), John (2years and 10months old) and Margaret Jane (9months old) on 13 February 1899.  They were living in Dorfa-fawr, Lower Valley in Chubut, Patagonia.   

In 19th June 1910 John A Evans arrived in Southampton from Santos, Brazil on the Royal Mail Steam Packet ship "Avon". The rest of the family travelled from Buenos Aires to Southamtpon on the Royal Mail Steam Packet ship Aragon arriving on 2nd July 1910 - Mary, Edward, John, Margaret, Annie, Helen, Elizbeth, Catherine and Eva.

The family then travelled to Australia - yet to find those records but I am working on it.

My main priority is now to find out who Mary Davies is, where she came from - is she a member of my Davies family.   Is that where the DNA link is?   

Thank you for your help in pointing me in the right direction!  Ellenmaggie

[nestagj]

Hello
There is a massive amount of information online about the welsh in Patagonia; not just family history.   I would suggest a general google search as well.
Sorry at work so can't help further atm.
Nesta

[ellenmaggie]

Hi Nesta,  I have found some of it but Google is so unhelpful these days - but by trial and error I have tracked some pages down and then tried other search terms.  I will get there hopefully.   What I would love to find is a record of their marriage.   Thank you.  Ellenmaggie