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1891 census

Therr, Catherine  1841 Nottinghamshire, Head Lace Mender
Therr, Kate  1873 Nottinghamshire,  Daughter Lace Mender
Therr, Clara 1875 Nottinghamshire,  Daughter Lace Mender
Therr, Anne 1878 Nottinghamshire,  Daughter Lace Mender
Therr, Elizabeth  1879 Nottinghamshire,Daughter
Therr, Charles 1881 Nottinghamshire, Son
Therr, Harry  1883 Nottinghamshire,Son 

The address is very difficult to read and looks different on each page. No 12, Cavious, Carver, Cavour ?? Square, Nottingham

RG12/2697 Nottingham Folio 15 Page 24

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Elizabeth now appears to be Lily??

1881 census

30 Schooner Street Radford Nottingham
 
Thos. Needham  1819  Radford, ,Head Widower Beerseller
Catherine Thur  1841  Radford, ,Daughter, Lace Mender
Chas. Thur 1821  Radford, ,Son in Law Lace Maker
Mary A. Thur 1861 Radford, , Granddaughter Lace Maker
Charlotte Thur 1866 Radford,, Granddaughter   Lace Maker
Annie Thur  1877  Radford,Granddaughter 
Frank Thur  1869  Radford,,  Grandson
Emily Thur 1871  Radford,,  Granddaughter
Chas. Thur  1881  Radford, , Grandson
Kate Thur 1873  Radford, ,Granddaughter
Clara Thur 1875  Radford, Granddaughter
Lily Thur  1879  Radford,  Granddaughter 

RG11/3344 Nottingham Radford Folio 43 Page 32 

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[carol8353]

HI both of you,

Mmmm I saw this family earlier- certainly fits in with the 1879 birth I found.
And of course if she's staying with nannie and grandad- they may well have told the enumerator her name was Lily(cos that's what THEY called her)
Even the Queen,whose name is Elizabeth of course  was called Lilibet by her sister and other close family members.So could well be the right one.

Have you tried the IGI too see if any of these fit with a proper name of Elizabeth and the other brothers and sisters.
Was rather hoping one of the witnesses would turn out to be an older brother or possibly even a married sister.
The marriage is just too far away from the 1901 census to pin any of them down to it positively.

Too tired to do any more looking tonight- will come back to this tomorrow.

Carol

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1871 census

King Street Radford, Nottingham

Thomas Needham 1819 Head Widower Beer...(doesn't say Seller - can't decipher rest of word) born Radford
Catherine Thurr  1842  Radford, Nottinghamshire,  Lodger   
Charles Thurr 1831  Stamford, Lincolnshire,Lodger
Mary A Thurr  1861  Radford, Nottinghamshire,Lodger   
Charlotte Thurr 1866  Radford, Nottinghamshire,Lodger     
Frank Thurr 1868  Radford, Nottinghamshire,Lodger
 

RG10/3502 Radford Folio 76 Page 45


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Entries from Notts Marriage Index

Charles Thur married Ann Bennell 8th June 1840 Basford, Nottinghamshire (GRO Ref Vol 15, Page  625)

Charles Thur married Catherine Needham 27th December 1864 St Stephen Sneinton, Nottingham
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1861 census

William Street, Radford, Nottingham

Mary Thur  1794  Leake, Nottinghamshire,Head Widow Stay Maker
Charles Thur  1819  Stamford, Lincolnshire,Son Widower Lace Maker
Henry Thur 1837  Radford, Nottinghamshire,Son

The age for Harry may not be accurate as the image is difficult to decipher

RG9/2449 Radford Folio 17 Page 38

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This now leaves the problem of Mary A Thur born 1861 who is not with dad on the 1861 census. I can't find her birth on the BirthIndex and can't spot her in 1861 as yet.

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In 1901 Catherine is living with married daughter(stepdaughter)? Mary
If you want to find Charles and Ann with any children(?) in 1841 and 1851 there are some very heplpful people on here with early census.

1901 census

6,Brighton Street, Nottingham
 
Mary Turner abt 1861  Nottinghamshire,  Head Mar Lace Mender
Catherine Ther  1842  Nottinghamshire, Mother Widow Lace Mender
Charles Ther  1881  Nottinghamshire, Brother Labourer at Cycle Works
John W Leavers 1883  Nottinghamshire,Boarder Butcher

RG13/3175 Nottingham Folio 78 Page 41

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Catherine in 1861 - All is solved - Mary Ann is daughter of Catherine before she married

1861 census

No address recorded. Living Radford

Thomas Needham1818  Radford, Head  Lace Maker
Mary Needham 1817  Radford, Wife
Isaac Needham 1840  Radford, Son  Lace Maker
Catherine Needham  1842  Radford, Daughter  Lace Mender
Samuel Needham  1845  Radford, Son Bobbin and Carriage ...?
Thomas Needham1848  Radford, Son
* Maryann Needham  1861  Radford,Granddaughter * 1 month old

RG9/2449 Radford Folio 74 Page 6

NEEDHAM, Mary Ann
Birth Quarter ending June 1861
Radford 
Volume 7b
Page 174

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