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Offline Ali M

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1841 Chelsea lookup pse - Keddie
« on: Thursday 22 September 05 02:41 BST (UK) »
Hi there, could someone please look in the 1841 census of Chelsea for a Philip Keddie (or Kiddie) b. 1812 in Glasgow.  He may be married to a Maria b. c. 1813 of Bucks.

with many thanks,  Alison of NZ
Shropshire :  Mullineux, Vaughan, Middle
Lancashire: Neale and variants, Edwards
Warwickshire: Lapworth
Devon: Hamblin(g), Cleverley, Jarvis
Oxfordshire: Castle, Haynes, Eden
Northants: Gibbins
Staffs:  Gilbert

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Re: 1841 Chelsea lookup pse - Keddie
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 November 05 20:29 GMT (UK) »
The 1851 census indicates you should be looking in the county of Northamptonshire on the 1841 census for the family

1851 census HO107 667 folio 27
Willow Street Oswestry  Shropshire   
Philip Keddie 38  Scotland Head  Married platelayer
Maria Keddie 36 Hitchen Hertfordshire Wife Married
Philip Keddie 16  Chelsea, Middlesex,  Son  Rail lab
John Keddie 14?  Watford? Hertfordshire Son
Robert Keddie 10  Ayston?? (difficult to read and probably spelt phonetically because it looks like Asaton so I can't be sure of the place name - there are other places it could bee.g. Ashton and Aston ), Northamptonshire, Son 
James Keddie 7  Linslade Buckinghamshire, Son 
Elizabeth Keddie 5 Gresford, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter
Mary Keddie 2  Gresford, Denbighshire, Wales, Daughter   
George Keddie 2mths  Oswestry, Shropshire,  Son 

It might be worth trying to find Robert's birth registration on 1837online to try and pinpoint exactly where he was born.
As the family moved around so much it will also help you if you had an old county map of England and Wales so you can see where the counties are, so you know which board to place your requests on. Chelsea though once in Middlesex was absorbed into London long ago and is now thought of as part of the West End of London.  Hitchen Maria's birthplace (on the 1861 census as well) is in the county of Hertfordshire not Buckinghamshire.

According to Pallots marriage index
Philip Keddie married Maria Pyne in 1834 in Chelsea 

Regards
Valda
 




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Re: 1841 Chelsea lookup pse - Keddie
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 November 05 03:50 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much for this information and helpful suggestions Valda.  The marriage record fits in with some other information I have which suggests Maria's maiden name might have been "Pym"

with many thanks, Alison
Shropshire :  Mullineux, Vaughan, Middle
Lancashire: Neale and variants, Edwards
Warwickshire: Lapworth
Devon: Hamblin(g), Cleverley, Jarvis
Oxfordshire: Castle, Haynes, Eden
Northants: Gibbins
Staffs:  Gilbert

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Re: 1841 Chelsea lookup pse - Keddie
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 November 05 08:43 GMT (UK) »
From the IGI a possible baptism for Maria

MARIA PYM 
Christening:  09 MAR 1817   St Mary, Hitchin, Hertford
Father:  JAMES PYM  Mother:  ELISABETH

The surname isn't common in Hertfordshire.

On the 1851 and 1861 censuses your Maria is consistent with an age that would give her year of birth as circa 1815/14. On the 1871 census even earlier 1813/12, so if this 1817 baptism is your Maria it would have to have taken place somewhile after her birth. Maria's death in 1874 gives her age as 63 which would make her birth year even earlier circa 1811/10. The baptismal entry in the register itself might confirm it was a late baptism by giving Maria's age or date of birth.

The baptism of two of Maria's subsequent siblings might indicate her parents were sometimes late baptising their children.

HARRIET PYM
Christening: 10 NOV 1821 St Mary, Hitchin, Hertford
ELIZABETH PYM
Christening: 16 NOV 1821 St Mary, Hitchin, Hertford
ALICE PYM
Christening: 06 JAN 1824 St Mary, Hitchin, Hertford

There is a possible earlier marriage in 1807 in Hertfordshire for Maria's parents.
 
Philip and Maria's later children who would have had their births registered and you could confirm Maria's maiden name through obtaining any of their birth certificates.

Regards
Valda
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