1891/1901 censuses Ynysybwl - completed -

[sandie]

Hi

Would someone with access to the 1891 and/or 1901 censuses for Ynysybwl mind looking up two addresses for me please?

I am looking for the families of:
WILLIAM JOHN RICHARDS b. 8.12.1880 father DAVID RICHARDS, plate layer and
SARAH HANNAH ROBERTS b. 3.6.1881 father DANIEL ROBERTS, collier.

In April 1906, at the time of their marriage, William was living at 151 Robert Street, Ynysybwl and Sarah was living at 102 Robert Street.  They were married at the Noddfa Welsh Baptist Chapel, High Street, Ynysybwl.  Sarah was presented a bible from the Noddfa Sunday School, Ynysybwl in July 1898. 

I have looked for these families online but with no success.  I thought perhaps if someone can do address searches, then one or both families may be found living at one of these addresses.

I'm sorry for the long winded post, but couldn't think of how to condense it!

Regards
Sandie

[Cas (stallc)]

Not able to do address search - but came up with census info

1901 census

RG13/5003
Reg district: Pontypridd.  Sub-reg: Llanwonno
Folio: 85  Page: 19 

Address 102 Roberts Street, Ynysybwl

Daniel Roberts abt 1846  Burry Port, Carmarthenshire, Head  Llanwonno  Glamorgan   (coal miner)

Mary Roberts abt 1846  Burry Port, Carmarthenshire, Wife   
 
Sarah H Roberts abt 1882  Treorchy, Glam Daughter   (draper's Assistant)
 
Mary Roberts abt 1888  Ynysybwl, Glam Daughter  

Checked all of Robert Street 1901.  Number 151 is vacant
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1891 census

RG12/4414
Llanwonno 
Folio: 76  Page: 19 

Address 91 Roberts Street.

Roberts, Daniel abt 1846 Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Head  Llanwonno  Glamorgan (coal miner)

Roberts, Mary abt 1847 Pembrey Carmarthenshire,  Wife    
 
Roberts, David abt 1875 Capcoch ? Aberdare, Son (coal miner)

Roberts, Gwilym abt 1873 Capcoch ? Aberdare, Son (coal miner)

Roberts, Mary A abt 1877 Pentre Ystradyfodwg,  Daughter    

Roberts, Sarah H abt 1882, Treorchy Glamorgan, Daughter (scholar)

Roberts, Maggie abt 1888 Ynysybwl, Glamorgan Daughter    

Richards, Gwilym abt 1879 Pembrey, Carmarthenshire,  Boarder (coal miner)

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1881 census

RG11/5301 
Reg district: Pontypridd 
Ystradyfodwg  (old name for the Rhondda Valley) 
Folio: 117  Pg 32

Address: All at 187 High Street, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan   (There is a High Street in Treorchy, Rhondda)

Daniel Roberts abt 1846  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire Head (coal hewer) 
Mary Roberts abt 1845  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Wife 

David Roberts abt 1875  Aberdare, Son  (scholar)
 
Gwilym Roberts abt 1873  Aberdare, Son  (scholar)
 
Mary A. Roberts abt 1877  Ystradyfodwg, Daughter 

John Roberts abt 1866  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Boarder (coal hewer)

Samuel Roberts abt 1855  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Boarder (coal hewer)

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Do you have any more info on William John Richard and family to try and trace them?

[sandie]

stallc

Thank you so much.  I had found the family in 1881, but wasn't 100% sure it was correct, but as you have come up with the same one, I think I'll go with it.

As for William Richards, I haven't a clue! 

The Welsh families I'm researching are my husband's grandparents, but unfortunately his family doesn't have any other info. on either these or the other grandparents.  The only 'auntie' they can remember being mentioned was a Maggie, which seems to be Sarah's sister, but that's all they had.  I haven't even been able to find the GRO ref. for their births.

I did find a William John Richards in Llanrhidian Higher, in 1881, but again can't be 100%, but they must all be out there somewhere and I'll find them one day.

Again, thank you ever so much for the Roberts info.

Regards
Sandie

[Cas (stallc)]

From Freebmd -

Daniel Roberts - Mary Bowen (click on page number)
Marriage June Qtr 1870
Llanelly 11a 896

Possibility - This is the only marriage that fits.  Llanelly is a sub district of Pembrey and the time fits with first child born 1873.

When searching freebmd for those born 'Aberdare' it would be reg district Merthyr Tydfil.  A wider area would be Mid Glamorgan and then wider Glamorgan.

For Ystradfodwg (Pentre, Treorchy, Ynysybwl etc) it would be reg district Pontypridd.  then a wider search as above.

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1861 census (Samuel from 1881 census is Daniel's brother)  This is defo the same family.

RG9/4115
Reg district: Llanelly Sub-reg Pembrey 
Folio: 96  Page: 13 

Address: 2 Rhiwlich ?

Samuel Roberts abt 1812  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire,  Head  Pembrey  Carmarthenshire   (coal miner)
 
Hannah Roberts abt 1816  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife  Pembrey   
 
John Roberts abt 1840  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire,  Son  Pembrey     (coal miner)

Rachael Roberts abt 1842  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire,  Daughter  Pembrey     

Richard Roberts abt 1859  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire,  Son  Pembrey     

Samuel Roberts abt 1855  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire,  Son  Pembrey  (scholar)

Ann Roberts abt 1848  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Daughter  Pembrey    (nursing)

Daniel Roberts abt 1846  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Son  Pembrey     (Coal miner & carter)

David Roberts abt 1851  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Son 
Pembrey 

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1871 census same family - Daniel not with them - Poss married to Mary by now?.  Unable to trace him at the mo.

RG10/5469
Llanelly, Pembrey 
Folio: 80  Page: 8 

Address; 33 Graig Capel, Pembrey

Samuel Robert abt 1813  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Head  Pembrey  Carmarthenshire   

Hannah Robert abt 1816  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire Wife 
   
John Robert abt 1866  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Grandson
 
Ann Robert abt 1848  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Daughter
   
Rachel Robert abt 1843  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Daughter     

Richard Robert abt 1859  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire,  Son   

Samuel Robert abt 1855  Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, Son  Pembrey 

[sandie]

stallc

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I can't thank you enough for all the information.  I had found the marriage for Mary Bowen some time ago, but because I didn't understand the districts couldn't take it any further.
The extra info. you have given me regarding the districts is going to help me no end and I can also send for the marriage cert. for Danial & Mary now, I can't wait.

You have definitely put me back on track.  Thanks again for all your help.

Regards
Sandie

Stop press!
Stallc

Just thought I'd let you know, I THINK I've found William in 1901!!  There's a family that seems to fit living at Quarry Houses, Llanrhidian Higher - father's name and occupation match what I have on marriage certificate and Williams age and occ. seem to match. 
I've been unable to get any info. on these for ages, then you intervened and now I've got stacks.
Thanks again
Sandie

[Cas (stallc)]

Glad to help, keep me updated on the cert, perhaps I can assist further.

There is a Glamorgan thread here called 'Burials in Aberdare'. Some of the info at the bottom may be applicable to you.  The cem for Ynysybwl would probably be Glyntaff, there is an index CD for this, you can then phone cemetery for interment info. 

You can also email the reference library at Treorchy and ask for info to locate Ynysybwl burials, electrol registers etc.  He is very helpful and will prob give you a local Pontypridd library email. 

Anthony.Pritchard2(a)rhondda-cynon-taff.gov.uk 

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ps.  Another tip for searching Freebmd - click on district and it will give you all sub - districts

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

RE: William John Richards

Other info not applicable.  Looks like the right family.  Do you need any more help with census for this family?

 

[sandie]

Cas

Thanks for the tips re: burials and contact address for reference library, this will be very useful.  Do you know if they hold copies of local papers?

As for censuses for William Richards, I have now got '81 and 1901 censuses so I'm not so bothered about the '91, but that's not to say I won't be next time I hit a brickwall!!

Again many thanks for all your help

Regards
Sandie

[Cas (stallc)]

I am sure they have local papers, but you would have to check with them the extent.

Good luck in your research