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Re: Black Slaves in Antrim up to 1800
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 02:58 BST (UK) »
I know about slavery today as well Hackstaple. It affects children as young as five years of age in India. They are taken to work in the silk industry at a very early age. There are between 60 million to 115 million children working in India.  About 15 million are slaves or bonded child labourers.  www.thirdworldtraveler.com/IMF_WB/SmallHands_MNM.html
Here is another detailed site - http://infoplease.com/spot/slavery1.html   Whilst we may be discussing slavery further afield than Co. Antrim I feel it is quite possible, since so many ships sailed from these shores to foreign parts, we may well succeed in finding a few slaves in this area in the 1800s. 

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 07:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Christopher - apparently the Chinese Olympic stadium is being built by what is virtually slave labour. Men are trucked in from the distant areas and have food and a pallet to sleep on in a large dormitory. They receive no money and so can never leave and go back home. Effectively they are imprisoned.
I suppose this is similar to the situation you describe in India and with what used to exist in Britain with bonded labour.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 08:51 BST (UK) »
Steve Dear,

You may have hit it in your reply to Pat on Sunday 16th October. Check out the surname Freeman http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm Then this http://www.searchforancestors.com/surnames/origin/f/freeman.php There were seven families with this name in Co. Antrim at the time of the Valuation of Co. Antrim. You may think it strange that I mention the Valuations when the period that interests you is 50 to 60 years earlier. They can be a useful pointer indicating families of a given name were in the area at a specified date and may have been there for some time. Look at the derivation of the name " One who enjoys liberty, or is entitled to a franchise, or peculiar privilege, as the freeman of a city or state ". It is possible, a long shot maybe but could be a good starting point. I wonder if there are any other surnames indicating someone was a Freeman? If there are they may also be worth considering. The other alternative is to consider owners of large estates in Co. Antrim as a black slave may have been given the family surname. Ó Saoraidhe was an Irish variation of the of the surname.  Steve, I have yet another trail worth following - John Black from Co. Antrim (born in 1753) and Lord McCartney who was Governor of Grenada. www.nalis.gov.tt/Biography/JohnBlack.htm

Lykke Til from your distant relative with Norwegian connections,

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Re: Black Slaves in Antrim up to 1800
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 17:53 BST (UK) »
Hack

some very good points you have mentioned about the whole world and it is such a shame that this is still happening today.

I never knew that it was the United Kingdom who was the first to legalise against it.

There is so much to read about it , can make you cry when you realize how bad it must be for people.

Thank you for your input keep them coming

Steve
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Re: Black Slaves in Antrim up to 1800
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 18:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks Chris

Have looked through" Freeman " as it seemed a logical thing to do, (great minds think alike) but I will try all the local Lords etc and see what turns up, and I realise you have to go forward  in time to be able to go back sometimes.

Found a William Porter from Killead an major in the army in South Africa a few of his papers are at Proni so I will take alook next time I get over.

Keep them coming Chris

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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 19:50 BST (UK) »
Sorry - that was technically inaccurate of me. The French Revolution 1789 declared all men to be equal and so there were, in theory no more slaves. That did not stop slavery in French colonies.
In 1772 a case was heard in England - the Somerset case. The finding was that no person could be sold hence a slave became worthless as an item of trade. A similar finding was made in Scotland about a decade later - I forget the name of that case or even the date. Slavery [new slaves] became illegal in 1807, I think, and all slaves held by Britons, home or abroad were emancipated in 1833.
Britain had been prominent in the slave-trade for the best part of 200 years though the biggest slavers in Europe, by far, were Portugal!
I have made the point before that the British Empire was much more a force for good than for bad [law, a civil service, railways, Western medicine, basic education] and all men are a product of their times.
I see little use in hammering on bitterly about inequities that occurred 5 or 10 generations ago - why not 20 or 30 or 100 generations ago? So it is not productive to describe Irish working folk of 1840 as "slaves" when they just down-trodden as were most working-class people world-wide, my own Forest of Dean ancestors amongst them.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 22:32 BST (UK) »
Heh Steve,

Henry Cromwell (1628 - 1674) was a bit of a boyo. The fourth son of Oliver Cromwell must have had a peek into the future and realised that the Irish Census records would be burnt a couple of times. Not daunted by this knowledge he decided, at the age of 24, to confuse genealogists of the 20th and 21st centuries searching industriously throughout Ireland for missing ancestors just a wee amount more. In 1652 Henry and his hencemen shipped 50000 Irish men, women and children over to Barbados, Jamaica, Montserrat and Virginia. There some were sold and used as playthings of pretty perveted planters. The rest of them were not so lucky. Some of them were forced into prostitution and and the remainder made to work as slaves. This story is told in detail in Sean O'Callaghan's book " To Hell or Barbados: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland "

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« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 22:48 BST (UK) »
Heh Steve,

Henry Cromwell (1628 - 1674) was a bit of a boyo. The fourth son of Oliver Cromwell must have had a peek into the future and realised that the Irish Census records would be burnt a couple of times. Not daunted by this knowledge he decided, at the age of 24, to confuse genealogists of the 20th and 21st centuries searching industriously throughout Ireland for missing ancestors just a wee amount more. In 1652 Henry and his hencemen shipped 50000 Irish men, women and children over to Barbados, Jamaica, Montserrat and Virginia. There some were sold and used as playthings of pretty perveted planters. The rest of them were not so lucky. Some of them were forced into prostitution and and the remainder made to wo :ork as slaves. This story is told in detail in Sean O'Callaghan's book " To Hell or Barbados: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland "


You learn something new all the time - I always thought it was Oliver Cromwell's son-in-law Charles Fleetwood who was responsible for the deportations :o
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 19 October 05 23:05 BST (UK) »
Hello Gentlemen !

As Liverpool was a Slave Trading Port ( and everybody knows Liverpool is the capital of Ireland! ;) ) - it would stand to reason that some slaves would maybe be transported via Ireland - you might find some insight in these books listed !

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.254

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/slavery/liverpool.asp

http://www.irelandsown.net/afroirish.html

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