Have you ever been tuilzeing???

[ganache]

Hi there,

I came across this while browsing <a href=http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/default.aspx> D&G historical Indexes</a>

In the Mouswald Kirk Session Minutes, 1640-1659 there appears the following (names omitted to protect the guilty)

 Name:  XXX , Xxx
 Place:
 Topic:
 Notes: Spouse to Xxx XXX ostler, drinking, swearing and <b>tuilzeing</b>. Leaves afternnon service. Gives satisfaction. Flytting and fighting with Xxx XX, piper.

 A quick Google on tuilzeing brings only one result, http://www.scotstext.org/roughs/whistlebinkie/whistlebinkie1.asp with the following quote:

<i>Our Gutchyre now spak frae the nuik,
 A sairie man was he,
"Sit down, sit down, ye senseless fouk,
 An' let sic tuilzeing be.</i>

 which is of little help.

So my question is, what is tuilzeing, and will I still get into trouble for it?

[mitchell]

Hi Ganache

Took me a while then I tried Ask Jeeves and found that tuilzeing means quarrelsome. There are various ways of spelling it.
Yes, I suppose that you could still get in trouble for it 

Elaine
 

[Grothenwell]

Weel done Elaine, 

I also tried to find to find the meaning but had no luck,

Thanks,

Grothenwell

[ganache]

Thanks for that Elaine, I never even thought of trying a different search engine!

 Kind of dissapointed though, tuilzeing is such a great word, I thought it would mean something more <i><b>juicy</b></i>- especially with the <i>Gives satisfaction</i>

[mitchell]

Nae bother Grothenwell,

Just don't ask me how to pronounce it 

Ganache
I haven't used Jeeves for a while but have often got results there when google couldn't help.

Elaine
 

[RJ_Paton]

It's a phrase in Scots which can mean a great deal of things from a minor quarrel to a near riot.

[loo]

My big heavy ancient Oxford spells it mostly with a y instead of a z, thus tuilyie = quarrel, brawl, fight.  It is of French origin.

Pronunciation seems to be like toolie or toolyer.

So I guess the quarrelsomeness reached a peak, or is that a pique!?

Here was the punishment in 1650, according to Oxford:
"fighters and tuilziers to satisfy publicly by sitting on a seat in face of the congregation".

In 1599, they had to be kept under control because "tuilyisome weapons in the court betokens confusion in the countrye."  So there!

It could get fractious though, 1814:  "Killed that same night in the tuilzie".

By 1886, the Scots certainly seemed to have the technique well-honed:  "Edinburgh was famous for its tuilzies or causeway fights between noblemen and lairds."

Now, aren't you glad you asked?  lol

[ibi]

It's probably not a "z" but a yogh, - think of the "z" sound in Menzies.

See http://www.scottishhandwriting.com/content/default.asp?page=s4_3

When typesetting came into widespread use printers couldn't be bothered to set up characters for old letters such as the Scottish thorn and yogh and used the nearest equivalents in terms of shape, - "y" = "th" the thorn, and "z" for the yogh.

Hence "Ye Olde" in fact equals "The Old ...."

ibi

[Thrall]

Hence "Ye Olde" in fact equals "The Old ...."

ibi

And can easily be written "Þe Olde" if you dig into your PC a little; in Iceland we still use it every day!   

Thrall