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The Common Room / Re: Mary Ann Graham Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« on: Wednesday 29 May 24 20:57 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: River Tyne Lass on Wednesday 29 May 24 18:19 BST (UK)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857179.0

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/235643206/alfred-patrick-graham

I originally found son, Alfred Patrick Graham in Church Bank Cemetery, Wallsend.

If Mary Ann was 56 when husband died in 1910, might she be the Mary Ann Graham who died in Tynemouth district Dec quarter 1911 age 58?

She may have moved to Wallsend area as son did, perhaps?  Might she also be buried at Church Bank Cemetery?

Good thinking
Yes her son and his family were in North Shields in 1911 so it would have been feasible for her to move in with them. However I don’t think that is the correct record having looked at it that lady was married to William Graham a farmer and the death notified by her daughter S Graham of Chirton West View.
I sent already for the certificate to check and there is also a 1911 census for that family  at chirton west view.
In regards to the church bank cemetery both Patrick and Catherine are buried there also Catherine’s mother Mary ann Coleman and probably because it was both near North Shields and Willington Quay and Willington Quay was where the Colemans lived for a long time.

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The Common Room / Re: Mary Ann Graham Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« on: Wednesday 29 May 24 17:26 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: OurAncestors on Wednesday 29 May 24 13:55 BST (UK)
Quote from: CaroleW on Wednesday 29 May 24 13:00 BST (UK)
1881 census - Charles Graham b 1853  Ireland Mary Ann b 1856 Newcastle

Could she have remarried after Charles death?

Yes it's possible. However assuming my facts are correct she was 56 years old, a Roman Catholic, living in Duke Street, when Charles died in the workhouse. Is it likely?
I do have a record of 1911 census  Mary Ann Graham  a widow living with the McCanns in Rock Street
but I don't know if its the right one.
Quote from: CaroleW on Wednesday 29 May 24 16:42 BST (UK)
As she was a widow her religion would not be a factor.  As to her age - there have been older widows who remarried but it’s an unknown really.

Did she report his death?  If not - what is the exact wording of the reference to her on his death cert

You need to alter your subject header to show surname as Graham - see my edit above



On Charles death certificate it says he died 24 July in the workhouse hospital. He is 61 years old a general labourer of 33 Duke Street. The informant is Mary Ann Graham widow of the deceased 33 Duke Street. She signs X The mark of Mary Ann Graham. Registered July 25 1910.

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The Common Room / Re: Mary Ann McGuire Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« on: Wednesday 29 May 24 13:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Wednesday 29 May 24 13:00 BST (UK)
1881 census - Charles Graham b 1853  Ireland Mary Ann b 1856 Newcastle

Could she have remarried after Charles death?

Yes it's possible. However assuming my facts are correct she was 56 years old, a Roman Catholic, living in Duke Street, when Charles died in the workhouse. Is it likely?
I do have a record of 1911 census  Mary Ann Graham  a widow living with the McCanns in Rock Street
but I don't know if its the right one.

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The Common Room / Re: Mary Ann McGuire Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« on: Wednesday 29 May 24 13:43 BST (UK)  »
Thank you
Yes I do have Patrick and Catherine marrying 1898.
The details I have for Charles and Mary Ann marriage,
20/06, 1874, St mary's Catholic Church Clayton St
Mary Ann is 19 years old, a spinster. Charles is 22 years old, a bachelor. Witnesses are Andrew Nugent and Elizabeth Toney. All make their mark (X).

I have various census records for Patrick all say he was born 1875, also known as Alfred Patrick, Alf. See military records in which all 3 names are used. There's lots about him on this forum!
However, I am lacking evidence about Mary Ann and prepared to accept new evidence.

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The Common Room / Mary Ann Graham Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« on: Wednesday 29 May 24 12:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello,
I'm wondering where to post my question regarding my ancestor Mary Ann McGuire, She was the mother of my ancestor Patrick Graham who died 1938. I had a wrong death record for her for 1913 which turned out to be a spinster from Byker and the last facts I have are where she is mentioned as on her husband Charles death certificate in 1910. I have asked many questions here about Patrick and his wife Catherine Dixon Coleman. I am still researching Patrick and Catherine's children.
Should I add my question about Mary Ann to one of those topics or start a new one?

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Northumberland / Re: help find missing child North Shields
« on: Saturday 09 March 24 14:34 GMT (UK)  »
I had managed to find a source for the newspaper story, which features in the Banbury  advertiser as well as the Banbury Guardian. It looks like Dorothy and Christian Micheal had been living apart at the time of the incident so I am guessing that she and the children did not emigrate with him.
I tracked down a marriage certificate for George and Miriam (1955,  Northampton, England) and George’s father is listed as Micheal Christian Johnson.
So now I maybe need to look at the Australian records for Micheal Johnson I would like to find a death record for him and see if there are any other records.

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Northumberland / Re: help find missing child North Shields
« on: Thursday 21 December 23 14:32 GMT (UK)  »
I now have the marriage certificate, Christian Micheal Johnson a bachelor  married Dorothy Irene Austin a spinster at the register office, Banbury, October 1931, his father Andrew Peter Johnson (deceased) a general labourer  her father Henry Austin a farm labourer. Therefore the tale of marital discord in the local press checks out as my relatives.

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Northumberland / Re: help find missing child North Shields
« on: Tuesday 19 December 23 14:23 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Radcliff on Tuesday 19 December 23 11:43 GMT (UK)
you state he had a son George H who is now deceased, where and when was he born please

I assumed without checking they had the son George in 1934 Bracknell Northamptonshire because I saw it on my family. History site…  but the mother’s maiden name is wrong.  ??? ???

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Northumberland / Re: help find missing child North Shields
« on: Tuesday 19 December 23 14:19 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Radcliff on Tuesday 19 December 23 12:36 GMT (UK)
I noticed on the 1939 for Christian(4/9/1905) and Dorothy(29/11/1912), Christians name has been crossed out ,
two blanked out entries also on their entry,

Christian a Shipwright in HM Ship yard,
address Hawthorn Road Rochester Kent

I have seen this.
Thank you.

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