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Derbyshire / Illegitimate children in Derbyshire 1820s - Denby Parish
« on: Tuesday 31 October 23 23:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi I am researching the family of distant cousins of mine I have identified through smaller DNA matches to descendants of Thomas Hunt (1826-1899) and Hannah Moon (1827-1897).
Thomas Hunt was born to his mother Sarah Bardell|Woolfitt|Hunt illegitimately in 1826 in Denby and baptised as Thomas Wafit [sic] and in 1829 another child was baptised as Anne Wolfit [sic]. The mother Sarah had married Joseph Woolfitt in Denby in 1821 but his name is not on the baptisms. She then went on to marry John Hunt in 1835, but I suspect the father of the elder children was not John Hunt.
Thomas Hunt and Hannah Moon became Mormons and then went to the United States and there is a lot about them online. I am however only looking myself at primary sources and starting from the ground up.
DNA matches in this cluster of matches I have of over 20 people suggest that the father might have been a member of the Gregson family of Longford.
I am therefore trying to see what records the church/local governance may have on these two illegitimate children and I emailed Derby Records Office, who helpfully informed me of the following:
A catalogue of the records we hold for the Parish of Denby can be found in our online catalogue under reference D1428. https://calmview.derbyshire.gov.uk/CalmView/TreeBrowse.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&field=RefNo&key=D1428%2fA
The collection does include bastardy bonds but only until 1814. After the church registers, the only records in the parish collection that cover the period 1826-1829 is an apprenticeship indenture for a Samuel Hunt (ref: D1428/A/PO/142) and a Sunday School account book 1825-1853 (D1428/A/PI/135) which primarily appears to contain details of subscriptions (i.e. charitible donations for the running of the school) as well as expenditure. It does appear to include some names perhaps of pupils or others in the village, but not detail such as father/son of, etc.
Amongst the archive collection for the County Quarter Sessions (predecessor to the County Council), there are a small number of orders for maintenance and bastardy examinations covering 1826-1829 (ref: Q/RV…). Unfortunately, the catalogue does not include an index of the names recorded in these records.
I have also seen on the Denby UKI website links under the Poor Houses section here: https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Denby
some moree information on illegitimate children with two links.
I was please wondering if anyone here has any experience of these Derbyshire records of illegitimate children and what the chances are of something perhaps coming up in the records to identify the father.
Thank you,
Jon
Thomas Hunt was born to his mother Sarah Bardell|Woolfitt|Hunt illegitimately in 1826 in Denby and baptised as Thomas Wafit [sic] and in 1829 another child was baptised as Anne Wolfit [sic]. The mother Sarah had married Joseph Woolfitt in Denby in 1821 but his name is not on the baptisms. She then went on to marry John Hunt in 1835, but I suspect the father of the elder children was not John Hunt.
Thomas Hunt and Hannah Moon became Mormons and then went to the United States and there is a lot about them online. I am however only looking myself at primary sources and starting from the ground up.
DNA matches in this cluster of matches I have of over 20 people suggest that the father might have been a member of the Gregson family of Longford.
I am therefore trying to see what records the church/local governance may have on these two illegitimate children and I emailed Derby Records Office, who helpfully informed me of the following:
A catalogue of the records we hold for the Parish of Denby can be found in our online catalogue under reference D1428. https://calmview.derbyshire.gov.uk/CalmView/TreeBrowse.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&field=RefNo&key=D1428%2fA
The collection does include bastardy bonds but only until 1814. After the church registers, the only records in the parish collection that cover the period 1826-1829 is an apprenticeship indenture for a Samuel Hunt (ref: D1428/A/PO/142) and a Sunday School account book 1825-1853 (D1428/A/PI/135) which primarily appears to contain details of subscriptions (i.e. charitible donations for the running of the school) as well as expenditure. It does appear to include some names perhaps of pupils or others in the village, but not detail such as father/son of, etc.
Amongst the archive collection for the County Quarter Sessions (predecessor to the County Council), there are a small number of orders for maintenance and bastardy examinations covering 1826-1829 (ref: Q/RV…). Unfortunately, the catalogue does not include an index of the names recorded in these records.
I have also seen on the Denby UKI website links under the Poor Houses section here: https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Denby
some moree information on illegitimate children with two links.
I was please wondering if anyone here has any experience of these Derbyshire records of illegitimate children and what the chances are of something perhaps coming up in the records to identify the father.
Thank you,
Jon