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Leicestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Newspaper/court papers search - Louis Beaufort
« on: Thursday 29 September 11 13:57 BST (UK) »
This is absolutely brilliant. I am indebted to Diddy for all the help with this.
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Dumfriesshire / Re: Grey Horse Inn, Friars Vennel, Dumfries
« on: Tuesday 27 September 11 15:49 BST (UK) »
Marvellous - thanks to all I've now found the following: http://maps.nls.uk/townplans/view/?sid=74415256&mid=dumfries_1
If you zoom in to the upper part of Friars Vennel and about half way up you;ll see conclusive proof of the Grey Horse Inn where my Irvine ancestors certainly seemed to be involved in in some capacity from mid 19th century onwards but the key part of the puzzle is whether the were tenant landlords or owned it. If the latter then who bought it!.
Either way, I now have more info than I ever imaginged being able to get.
Thanks so much everyone.
If you zoom in to the upper part of Friars Vennel and about half way up you;ll see conclusive proof of the Grey Horse Inn where my Irvine ancestors certainly seemed to be involved in in some capacity from mid 19th century onwards but the key part of the puzzle is whether the were tenant landlords or owned it. If the latter then who bought it!.
Either way, I now have more info than I ever imaginged being able to get.
Thanks so much everyone.
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Dumfriesshire / Re: Grey Horse Inn, Friars Vennel, Dumfries
« on: Sunday 18 September 11 18:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much - and also apologies if I've not followed protocol with this post. I can say without any reservation that the people who populate these forums have been both exceptionally kind and helpful as I stumble through my ancestry.
Anyway, The Grey Horse Inn. I'm pretty sure it is this and not the Bay Horse. I've delved deeper into the children of Mary Walker and David Irvine/Irving (see the story thru the link kindly inserted by JamJar) by tracking down marriage certs where they exist. It seems at least three of them were married at the "Grey horse Inn" The writing is pretty bad but Bay it certainly isn't.
The query really is about proprietorship of this Inn, and if it is possible to establish that, given it looks likely that the Irvine's were at least landlords there for their daughters to get married there.
If not then it'll just have to remain a family legend after all...
Anyway, The Grey Horse Inn. I'm pretty sure it is this and not the Bay Horse. I've delved deeper into the children of Mary Walker and David Irvine/Irving (see the story thru the link kindly inserted by JamJar) by tracking down marriage certs where they exist. It seems at least three of them were married at the "Grey horse Inn" The writing is pretty bad but Bay it certainly isn't.
The query really is about proprietorship of this Inn, and if it is possible to establish that, given it looks likely that the Irvine's were at least landlords there for their daughters to get married there.
If not then it'll just have to remain a family legend after all...
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Lancashire / Re: Manchester Southern Cemetery
« on: Friday 16 September 11 10:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks once more to all the interest in this strand. I'm getting a little obsessive about this.
To elzabels, the Scottish 1901 census indformation is correct, but the wife is not my relative. By 1911, Louis is now living as husband to Mabel Maud Coleman (my GG Aunt) in Manchester. His son is living elsewhere and Fanny has disappeared.
The South African connection is a new one to me. Anyone know how you would get any more info on whether this is my Mabel or not?
To elzabels, the Scottish 1901 census indformation is correct, but the wife is not my relative. By 1911, Louis is now living as husband to Mabel Maud Coleman (my GG Aunt) in Manchester. His son is living elsewhere and Fanny has disappeared.
The South African connection is a new one to me. Anyone know how you would get any more info on whether this is my Mabel or not?
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Leicestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Newspaper/court papers search - Louis Beaufort
« on: Wednesday 14 September 11 21:00 BST (UK) »
That would be fantastic.
I think they were remanded in Loughborough around 14/15th August 1892 and the incident happened in around July of that year . The hotelier's name was Joseph Newcombe and his wife Harriet. Seems they eloped to Stockport!
I think they were remanded in Loughborough around 14/15th August 1892 and the incident happened in around July of that year . The hotelier's name was Joseph Newcombe and his wife Harriet. Seems they eloped to Stockport!
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Lancashire / Re: Manchester Southern Cemetery
« on: Wednesday 14 September 11 16:44 BST (UK) »
Many, MANY thanks for taking the trouble to do this. Louis, it seems, is destined to remain a mystery.
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Leicestershire Lookup Requests / Newspaper/court papers search - Louis Beaufort
« on: Wednesday 14 September 11 16:42 BST (UK) »
Louis Beaufort was "married" to my ancestor Mabel Maud Coleman. If they indeed ever were properly married they did so around 1902. Before that seems Louis was a bit of a rogue and was central to a rather infamous Loughborough Elopment Csae in 1892 when he was retained as a piano player at the Volunteer Hotel, was found with the proprietors wife, then ran off with her to Cheshire I think.
I just wondered if this was the place to see if anyone would be able to find any info re the court case and whether there was any further biographical information about Louis available?
Many thanks and apols if this not the kind of look up this forum is for.
I just wondered if this was the place to see if anyone would be able to find any info re the court case and whether there was any further biographical information about Louis available?
Many thanks and apols if this not the kind of look up this forum is for.
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Dumfriesshire / Grey Horse Inn, Friars Vennel, Dumfries
« on: Wednesday 14 September 11 16:26 BST (UK) »
Looking for anybody with any knowlegde or information about the Grey Horse Inn/Hotel in Friars Vennel in Dumfries. The limit of my knowledge is that it was in the upper part of the vennel backing on to the site of the old Greyfriars monastry.
My family link is through the hotelkeepers - the Irvines. I'd be particularly delighted to know if there was any way of finding out if the Irvines actually owned the hotel, and secondly , if there is any evidence it was bought for them by a lady called Johanna Mounsey Gordon - probably around 1830-40 or so.
Thanks.
My family link is through the hotelkeepers - the Irvines. I'd be particularly delighted to know if there was any way of finding out if the Irvines actually owned the hotel, and secondly , if there is any evidence it was bought for them by a lady called Johanna Mounsey Gordon - probably around 1830-40 or so.
Thanks.
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Occupation Interests / Actors/musicians: Mabel Maud Coleman (Beaufort)/Louis Beaufort
« on: Tuesday 13 September 11 12:38 BST (UK) »
Mabel Maud Coleman was born in Dundee in 1880. She was my GG Aunt. She apears on the 1891 Scottish Census but cannot be found on the 1901 Scottish or England census.
She next crops up as the informant of her fathers death in 1907 (in Dundee). Her name by then is Mabel Beaufort and she is noted as living in Kent.
In 1911 England Census she is living in Manchester as the wife of a Louis Beaufort (age 50), a musician, she is down as an actress. I can find no evidence of a marriage between them.
Louis, has an interesting past. Seems he is from NSW in Australia, but cannot find any records of his brith or family there. What is certain is he plied his trade as a musician on ships between UK and Australia around 1895-7. However, he was in UK around 1891 as he was prosecuted after running away with a hotel keepers wife and charged with theft (acquitted tho!). He marries a Fammy Elizabeth Steophens in 1895 and has a son - Louis Ormez (Ormez is the name of the ship he worked on). They turn up in the 1901 Scottish census lioving in Paisley where he seems to have been the manager of the Empire Music Hall there.
Louis died in Sept 1923 in Manchester and is buried in a public grave in the Southern Cemetery.
Of Mabel, I cannot find anything on her after the 1911 census.
Both of them crop up in searches of The Stage Archive but I don't have menbership to see the full articles.
Any UK theatre experts out there who might have a steer on where to turn to for any possible information?
Many thanks.
She next crops up as the informant of her fathers death in 1907 (in Dundee). Her name by then is Mabel Beaufort and she is noted as living in Kent.
In 1911 England Census she is living in Manchester as the wife of a Louis Beaufort (age 50), a musician, she is down as an actress. I can find no evidence of a marriage between them.
Louis, has an interesting past. Seems he is from NSW in Australia, but cannot find any records of his brith or family there. What is certain is he plied his trade as a musician on ships between UK and Australia around 1895-7. However, he was in UK around 1891 as he was prosecuted after running away with a hotel keepers wife and charged with theft (acquitted tho!). He marries a Fammy Elizabeth Steophens in 1895 and has a son - Louis Ormez (Ormez is the name of the ship he worked on). They turn up in the 1901 Scottish census lioving in Paisley where he seems to have been the manager of the Empire Music Hall there.
Louis died in Sept 1923 in Manchester and is buried in a public grave in the Southern Cemetery.
Of Mabel, I cannot find anything on her after the 1911 census.
Both of them crop up in searches of The Stage Archive but I don't have menbership to see the full articles.
Any UK theatre experts out there who might have a steer on where to turn to for any possible information?
Many thanks.