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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman records 1840s - help with information in document
« on: Sunday 25 February 24 01:21 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Wexflyer on Sunday 25 February 24 01:05 GMT (UK)
Quote from: jonwicken on Sunday 25 February 24 00:45 GMT (UK)

Yes they are Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1835-1857 on findmypast.

They give a description and details of length of service, which is helpful.

As I feared, doesn't seem to be a source available on Ancestry

Yes, you really do need both sites to make the most on online resources, which of course is pricey. I use ancestry way more than findmypast, but the latter does have some great records but an inferior search capability in my view. I do however like how you can pick a range of 40 years on findmypast, rather than the 10 on ancestry.

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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman records 1840s - help with information in document
« on: Sunday 25 February 24 00:45 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Wexflyer on Sunday 25 February 24 00:05 GMT (UK)
Quote from: jonwicken on Saturday 24 February 24 23:32 GMT (UK)
Dear Rootschat,

I am looking at a merchant seaman record for William Thomas Bastian, which was made in 1844 for the commencement of the new ticket issue system that began in 1845.


Jon

As a matter of interest, can you say what the name of these records is/where found?
Thanks


Yes they are Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1835-1857 on findmypast.

They give a description and details of length of service, which is helpful.

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The Common Room / Re: Merchant Seaman records 1840s - help with information in document
« on: Saturday 24 February 24 23:59 GMT (UK)  »
OK thank you! That makes sense and that is helpful!

Let's see if anyone here knows!

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The Common Room / Merchant Seaman records 1840s - help with information in document
« on: Saturday 24 February 24 23:32 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Rootschat,

I am looking at a merchant seaman record for William Thomas Bastian, which was made in 1844 for the commencement of the new ticket issue system that began in 1845.

There are details for some voyages for the years, but I have no idea what all the references mean. Can anyone please help?

In 1851 he was in the Dreadnought Hospital in Greenwich and is stated to have last been on the Midlothian, which was presumably that year, but there is nothing in the 1851 column. I believe this was a transportation ship, so is this on another register?

He was last seen in the 1871 census as a mariner but is dead by 1881 and no idea what happened to him. I think he may have died on a voyage, but not found later mariner records for him yet.

Thank you any help you may be able to give me.

Jon

 

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Somerset Lookup Requests / Somerset Heritage Centre - HOPKINS settlement and removal 1821 & 1829
« on: Thursday 22 February 24 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Rootschat,

I wonder if there is anyone who might regularly go to the Somerset Heritage Centre and might please be able to look at details on three people in records there.

I don't think I have ever asked for an archives look up here before, so no idea if this is even possible, but thought I would try.

I have long been researching the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel and visited this place last year but didn't go to the archives. It would be helpful to know which further details the actual records contain.

These are the three records:

HOPKINS, Charles: Removal Order from parish of deposit - 44 - St Pancras, Middlesex to Yeovil - 1821
https://somerset-cat.swheritage.org.uk/records/D/P/cur.r/13/3/2?snippet=0500e0a1-abf4-4b22-9f19-77b1e0f8d6ba&snippetType=Settlement
 
HOPKINS, Charles: Removal Order; Settlement Examination - 21 - Curry Rivel to St Pancras, Middlesex - 1821
https://somerset-cat.swheritage.org.uk/records/D/PS/ilm/6/12?snippet=ea73b149-c4f7-466d-8e86-fcff96e7c0d3&snippetType=Settlement
 
HOPKINS, George: Settlement Examination - 416 - Born at Curry Rivel - 1829
https://somerset-cat.swheritage.org.uk/records/D/P/tau.m/13/3/5?snippet=3a4a2921-14f8-4bb5-97e2-fa6b34d4970c&snippetType=Settlement

With thanks and best wishes,
Jon

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Somerset Lookup Requests / Re: Curry Rivel marriage 26 Jun 1800 - Samuel COLLARD & Mary WILLMONT
« on: Thursday 22 February 24 15:34 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: jonwicken on Thursday 03 December 15 00:57 GMT (UK)
Hi I have seen the marriage of these two at Curry Rivel and he was a shoemaker.

He is therefore the apprentice of my ancestor Thomas Hopkins of Curry Rivel who he was apprenticed to in 1796 and paid the duty in 1797.

I am wondering if Thomas Hopkins or someone in his family was perhaps one of the witnesses to the marriage.

The marriages were published in book form from 1642 to 1812 but omit witnesses.

If anyone please has access to a better transcription and is able to check I would be most grateful.

Many thanks,
Jon

I have revisited this apprenticeship in another thread here https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=862417.18 and realised that Samuel Collard was actually the master and Thomas Hopkins was the apprentice, so am correcting this old post of mine as I know incorrect information is often out there and can be copied by others.

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The Common Room / Re: Samuel Maitland of Walworth, Surrey, & the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel c1811
« on: Thursday 22 February 24 15:06 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Ashtone on Wednesday 21 February 24 19:37 GMT (UK)
Aside from his 1744 marriage, do you have any other details for your ancestor Thomas Hopkins, snr (e.g. birth/baptism, occupation, death/burial)?

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I don't know what Thomas Hopkins senior's role was at all.

There is an entry in the Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, 1710-1811 on 20 December 1796 (stamp duty paid 2 March 1797) for a Thomas Hopkins cordwainer of Curry Rivel and I always assumed this was probably his son Thomas Hopkins junior born in 1751.

Now I am thinking that maybe this was actually the father. I assumed that Thomas Hopkins senior at 76 was probably too old to be taking on an apprentice.

I have actually now relooked at this 1796 apprenticeship stamp duty payment and realised that Thomas Hopkins was the apprentice not the master. Samuel Collard was the master, so I can now strike out this cordwainer occupation.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1851/images/32422_236924-00691?pId=114814

This is actually much more helpful in the story too as I could never understand how Thomas Hopkins the father had so much money to leave his son George Hopkins if he was a cordwainer. He must have been something else entirely. What if he therefore if Thomas Hopkins the father did indeed serve with Samuel Maitland?

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The Common Room / Re: Samuel Maitland of Walworth, Surrey, & the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel c1811
« on: Thursday 22 February 24 11:53 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Watson on Thursday 22 February 24 09:57 GMT (UK)
In A Genealogical and Historical Account of The Maitland Family, by George Harrison Rogers-Harrison (privately printed, 1869), the following entry for a Samuel Maitland appears in the course of the pedigree:

"Samuel Maitland of Dumfries a Capt. in East India Coy. Service.  Born 28 May 1756.  Died 30 Nov. 1797 having had issue 2 Sons John and Samuel who both died young.

= Isabella Anderson. Married October 1795.  Died 1830".

That is a great find. Brilliant.

I have just looked at the book and found Samuel Maitland and see that he has a brother Adam Maitland so this all ties in with his 1797 will.

https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhist00harr/page/16/mode/1up

I just need to see how he was related to Thomas Pelham Maitland now.

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The Common Room / Re: Samuel Maitland of Walworth, Surrey, & the Hopkins family of Curry Rivel c1811
« on: Thursday 22 February 24 01:56 GMT (UK)  »
The 23 October 1795 marriage allegation of Samuel Maitland and Isabella Anderson shows he was then of St John Wapping and aged 21 and upwards, so he was born in or before 1774: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2056/images/32515_1831109387_0041-00345?usePUB=true&_phsrc=VSl1911&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=156917

It is known from his 1797 will that he had a brother named Adam Maitland and a William Maitland was a witness:

There is a reference to a Samuel Maitland enlisting in the Royal Navy in 1779, which may be him: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68S7-HMX8

They had a son named Samuel Maitland baptised on 28 Mar 1798 Pell Street Independent, Stepney. Presumably he is the Samuel Maitland child buried at St Alfege Greenwich on 30 Jul 1802.

There is reference to Samuel Maitland with an 1818 date in the East India Company Pensions 1793-1833. Is this reference because his widow had a pension?


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