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Devon / Re: Julia HERD - Criminal and Plymouth Workhouse /Infirmary records
« on: Monday 11 June 12 09:02 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the responses to my saga.

Priscilla - I will contact the office suggested - thank you

Claire - thank you for the newspaper article - dreadful issue and I am hoping the timing is very wrong and that she cannot possibly be "my" Julia Herd. Claire, Could you please tell me where you accessed it as I have spent awhile googling and not had any luck. I guess I am trying to see if there were any Divorces / committals or deaths advised.

Thanks once again

Gaye


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Devon / Julia HERD - Criminal and Plymouth Workhouse /Infirmary records
« on: Sunday 10 June 12 15:27 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone please give me a heads up as to where to go next:

Julia GEARY(nee DALEY) married Robert HERD (boatman) in 1872 in Plymouth.
She was a widow of Dennis GEARY and her maiden name was DALEY.
She was born in abt 1845 in Cork, Ireland.
She and Robert Herd had 5 children between 1874-1882. The 1881 census lists them together as a family with 4 children. The 5th came in 1882. 

Robert appears then to get married to Annie Banks in 1889 and goes on to have 3 further children.

So what happened? Did Julia die; divorce or was she committed?

There are several references to a Julia Herd that look like they link to the same “Julia Herd” but is it mine?:
•   1891 census – Fish Hawker but born in Devonport in 1845
•   1911 census – an inmate Plymouth Workhouse And Infirmary, Greenbank Road, Plymouth but listed as a Fishmonger , born in Ireland in 1845
The fishmonger reference is an alarm bell as her sister Bridget SCANLAN(nee DALEY) owned a fish shop in Plymouth. Is this a connection?
•   1887 – Criminal Register where she was acquitted for manslaughter
•   1915 – Death register for a Julia HERD who was B in 1845.

My questions  are:
•   is there a place you can get hold of the criminal records and Workhouse records?
•   Are there any local records of a divorce or did one not have to do that in those times if she was committed?

Not sure if anyone can shed any light but any help will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Gaye



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Thank you chaps for your generous help. Military history is an area that I have previously left well alone and it is a steep learning curve. Not living in South Africa makes it a more complicated process. 

I am drinking at the water heaps but just still questioning as I can't deal with the possiblity that there are no records. As you can imagine there are several family stories that I wish to sort out. 

The two websites suggested - Molegenealogy.blogspot.com and samilitaryhistory.org look great and I will dig and make contact. So thank you for those ideas.

I will also start writing letters to various military offices and museums in South Africa.

Once again thank you all for your help. And thank you to the Moderator for pulling these threads together.

Regards
Gaye

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World War One / Re: John Alexander Malcolm - WW1 - SA Intelligence
« on: Thursday 13 May 10 23:15 BST (UK)  »
Apologies this is my fault for the different threads - i was trying a different heading.

I just can't find why he was awarded the CDG; why he was captured and possibly tortured; where he went etc? Who has the WW1 records?

Cheers
Gaye

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World War One / Re: John Alexander Malcolm - WW1 - SA Intelligence
« on: Thursday 13 May 10 22:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi
Partly - John Alexander Malcolm (an Australian) went to the Boer War with the Australian Contingent in 1899. I have recently applied and am waiting for these Boer War records.

However whilst fighting in the Orange Free State, he met my ggrandmother to be. Therefore he divorced his Australian 1st wife and stayed on in South Africa after the Boer War to start a second family. 

Therefore when he went to WW1 he (I suggest) would have been with the South African Military and thus fighting in Africa. This is based on the record found in the UK archives which stated he was with the SA Rifles but little else.

However he did land up returning to Australia in the 1920's after he divorced for the 2nd time and applied for Intelligence work with the Australian Military. This was refused but those records are in the Australian Archives as are a few others.

But thank you for reminding me about the Archives as searching through this morning I have just found records for his son of his 1st marriage for WW1 which were extremely interesting.

So I am still looking for data on his WW1 experience from SA.

Thanks
Gaye

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World War One / Re: John Alexander Malcolm - WW1 - SA Intelligence
« on: Thursday 13 May 10 22:11 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your response. However J A Malcolm fought WW1 from South Africa and not Australia.
But will have a search anyway
Cheers
Gaye

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World War One / John Alexander Malcolm - WW1 - SA Intelligence
« on: Thursday 13 May 10 09:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi
During the Boer War, John Alexander Malcolm was part of the Australian Military in the Victorian Mounted Rifles. He was awarded a DSO and made Captain.

After the Boer War he remained in South Africa where apparently he was still part of Military Intelligence (as he was always packed and ready to go). According to his Obituary he did Secret Service in Sudan and other areas.

During WW1, from UK archive records, he was with the SA Rifles. As per the obituary he organised a transport Service in the colonies to serve against the Germans. At one stage he led a mobile British Force of 75 men against the Germans in the Zambezi area and captured 323 Germans. He was promoted by General Northey to Major. In 1917 he was awarded the Croix de Guerre with palms by the Fench Government. We have this medal and i have also found a despatch announcing this award. 

Family rumour is that he was captured during WW1 and tortured????

Any ideas how i can verify these stories and find the facts please?

Thanks
Gaye



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World War One / Re: Medal Cards - WW1
« on: Friday 30 April 10 05:17 BST (UK)  »
John Alexander definitely got his DSO in the Boer War as per http://www.angloboerwar.com/DSO/m/malcolm_ja.htm

MALCOLM, JOHN ALEXANDER, Lieutenant, was born in 1872, son of J F Malcolm, of Victoria, Australia.  He served in the South African War of 1899-1902.  He was mentioned in Despatches; awarded the Medal, and created a Companion of the Distinguished Service Order [London Gazette, 31 October 1902]: "J A Malcolm, Lieutenant, South African Constabulary.  In recognition of services during the operations in South Africa".  Captain Malcolm married, in 1903, Mabel Jane, third daughter of Charles J Oertel, Abraham's Kraal, Orange River Colony.

Therefore the CDG was awarded separately from the DSO.
Cheers
Gaye

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World War One / Re: Medal Cards - WW1
« on: Friday 30 April 10 02:31 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for all your responses

1stly the Medal Card - you are correct - there is only one for JAM - DSO, South African Rifles, MID LG 25/7/17 pg 9942.

JAM was originally from Australia and had a distinguished military career during the Boer War. He then stayed on and joined up in WW1 under General Northey fighting the Germans in Africa and was promoted to major eventually.

Family story has it that he was in the Intelligence, was captured and tortured?????

Sorry I don't have any data from Ancestry.

Would data from his registration for WW1 be held at Kew or in South Africa given that the last regiment we know of was the South African Rifles?


Regards
Gaye


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