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Lincolnshire / Re: Confirming a marriage 1859 Help needed
« on: Tuesday 28 April 20 10:58 BST (UK)  »
I would like to thank all three of you

 CaroleW, Dundee and DCB I've spent a week on this on and off, and couldn't get past the Ann M Robinson part of the census.   I only found the Mary A Birth registration last night and saw the Firth.

 I will look at all the bits you have put up, but it looks like you've pretty much sorted this part.   I'm still getting used to the people not using the same names all the time.

 And yes to Dundee, Registration District, I couldn't think of the term.

 Once again many thanks to all. 


Quote from: Dundee on Tuesday 28 April 20 01:24 BST (UK)
Quote from: davidwgrobinson on Monday 27 April 20 23:44 BST (UK)
....... in the Caistor area (Middle Rasens general area).....

Caistor is the registration district, not the 'general area'.

With the information you already have perhaps you are looking for an Ann Maria FIRTH.

This may be her as FRITH:

FRITH, ANN  MARIA
Mother's maiden surname: ROWSON     
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in OF THE LOUTH UNION  Volume 14  Page 414

This girl (born Ludford which is in the reg. district of Louth) is probably living with her grandparents (grandmother and step grandfather) John and Mary TINDAL in Middle Rasen in 1841.  John TINDAL married Mary ROWSON in 1818.

Ann's parents are probably Robert FIRTH and Ann ROWSON who married in 1832.

1841 census

Class: HO107; Piece: 639; Book: 25; Civil Parish: Ludford Magna; County: Lincolnshire; Enumeration District: 6; Folio: 7; Page: 9

You need Isaac ROBINSON's marriage cert to confirm who he married.

Debra  :)


Quote from: CaroleW on Tuesday 28 April 20 00:48 BST (UK)
Benjamin Vickers is the other male name on the same page and 1861 shows him with wife Ann.  Son William aged 11 also on 1861 entry

1851 shows him with a wife Hannah - marriage 1845 to Hannah Brumpton - son william aged 1 on entry.

William's birth reg shows mmn Brumpton

Death of Hannah Vickers aged 40 in 1858 Caistor

Benjamin may have married Ann Firth


Quote from: DCB on Tuesday 28 April 20 09:38 BST (UK)
Stamford Mercury 2nd December 1859
On the 20th ult., at the Reform chapel, Market Raeson, Mr. Benj. Vickers to Miss Ann Lusby, both of Walesby.

There are several Rowson/Rouson trees on Ancestry with Ann, Ann Marie or Mary Ann Firth or Frith as the daughter of Robert and Ann. but no husband.

One of my ancestors was Mary Ann Firth but sometimes transcribed as Frith, partly because the dot is over the r instead of the i.

David

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Lincolnshire / Confirming a marriage 1859 Help needed
« on: Monday 27 April 20 23:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

 I'm trying to sort out an early marriage for Isaac Robinson.  So far I have the following information.

 Born 1838 in Middle Rasen (Lincstothepast website confirms baptism)

 in 1859 Married either Maria Firth  or Ann Lusby (Civil Registration Marriage Index)

 in 1861 Lived in Earswick with wife Ann M Robinson and daughter Mary A Robinson both supposedly born in Middle Rasen. (1861 Census)

 in 1871 he's back in Middle Rasen, without wife and daughter, and I have all the information after this date.

 My main problem is -

 The 1861 census seems to suggest that he married Ann Lusby, but I can't confirm an Ann Lusby born in Middle Rasen in that time, there is an Ann Lusby born in Tealby which most people seem to think is the one.  Recently however someone else has proven her not be correct, with her confirmed on a 1861 Census elsewhere.

 I have also only found one Mary A Robinson born in 1860 (England and Wales Births) in the Caistor area (Middle Rasens general area).  She has a father called Robinson and a mother called Firth.

 Which suggests that he fathered a child with Maria Firth. 

 I so far haven't found baptism records for Ann Lusby, Maria Firth or Mary Ann Robinson although I have only checked Middle Rasen's records, I still have to go through others on the Lincstothepast website.

 I'm struggling to find a Maria Firth at all.

 I can't find a church record of the marriage, but I think I'll need to visit the churches for that or the central Lincs record office.

 If anyone can advise on sites to look from here then I would be most grateful.

 David


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Graveyards and Gravestones / Re: Zion Burial
« on: Friday 06 March 20 15:33 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Chris Doran on Friday 06 March 20 14:53 GMT (UK)
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davidwgrichardson: try the council to see who owns it. I think possibly the Baptist church.
Holme Lane Congregational Church was still active in 1971 and, as was suggested in Reply #16,  it's likely it joined the United Reformed Church on its formation in 1972. I can't see it in a 1974 yearbook of the Congregational Federation, one of the larger groupings of those Congregational Churches that didn't join.

I spoke to a local councillor and he said the same thing.  I've been out, but I'm messaging them shortly.

Quote from: PaulineJ on Friday 06 March 20 13:49 GMT (UK)
Thers is access if you go across the field from Stanley Mills Weavers.
Brambles are at least waist if not chest height.

Unless your grave is on the perimeter,  there's little chance of reaching it.

I was hoping that during the winter months it might be more hospitable, if it isn't I'll take the youngest child and tell her I've hidden chocolate in the middle.

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Graveyards and Gravestones / Re: Zion Burial
« on: Friday 06 March 20 09:20 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: davidwgrobinson on Friday 06 March 20 09:16 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Rattus on Friday 06 March 20 09:14 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Essnell on Thursday 05 March 20 22:09 GMT (UK)
I also saw something on a site where someone has taken photos.  Cannot remember where though.

Possibly the ones I linked to, much earlier in this thread:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2482074

This place looks fascinating and I wonder how it has survived, who owns it, etc.

I think it is.   I'm 80% sure I have relatives here, so I'm going to do some digging and emailing this weekend see if I can find who owns it. 

Unless someone can do a walk round and find an entrance.  On Google maps for 2019 there is a fence on the round part, whether this is all the way round I don't know.

The grass might be lower now this time of year.

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Graveyards and Gravestones / Re: Zion Burial
« on: Friday 06 March 20 09:16 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Rattus on Friday 06 March 20 09:14 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Essnell on Thursday 05 March 20 22:09 GMT (UK)
I also saw something on a site where someone has taken photos.  Cannot remember where though.

Possibly the ones I linked to, much earlier in this thread:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2482074

This place looks fascinating and I wonder how it has survived, who owns it, etc.

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Graveyards and Gravestones / Re: Zion Burial
« on: Thursday 05 March 20 22:49 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Essnell on Thursday 05 March 20 22:09 GMT (UK)
Hi davidwgrobinson and pauline,

I have looked over the site throughly on GoogleMaps, some time ago.

  Now from the road it is not visible as there is a row of tall thick trees growing along the streetline behind a fence which needs a bit of care.  Down the lane beside this piece you can see in quite easily but it is quite overgrown. The fence there is not all that high. There appears to be no ready access.
You can see a few of the taller monuments. I used street view in google and the satelite images. 

If Bradford Local History have those inscriptions or a map of the burials that might for me prove interesting.  I shall try contacting them.  Unfortunately it has been neglected for how long ..? 

The local council might be able to provide access or give permission to access - worth asking.

I also saw something on a site where someone has taken photos.  Cannot remember where though.

Hope my bit helps someone.

Essnell


It does help thanks,

 I know someone who might no more about the photo's.  my thoughts are if some of the memorials are viewable, even through brambles, then it's easier to track them from inscriptions.

 I will also contact the parish council / local council ('i'll have to look it up)

 if anyone goes could they pm me and let me know the results, I'll post back here after I've been, but that will probably be easter holidays.

 David

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Graveyards and Gravestones / Re: Zion Burial
« on: Thursday 05 March 20 18:20 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: PaulineJ on Thursday 05 March 20 18:05 GMT (UK)
Quote from: davidwgrobinson on Thursday 05 March 20 17:39 GMT (UK)
Is anyone local enough to see if it's accessible, I saw the previous post, but miracles do sometimes happen

What thing are you referring to?
The MIs or the burial ground?

Pauline


To see if the burial ground is accessible. 

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Graveyards and Gravestones / Re: Zion Burial
« on: Thursday 05 March 20 17:39 GMT (UK)  »
A late reply, but I've just been in conversation with Bradford Local History Library, and they say they have the monumental inscriptions for this church.

I presume that would act as a partial map, if your looking for family buried here.

Is anyone local enough to see if it's accessible, I saw the previous post, but miracles do sometimes happen

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Resources & Offers / Re: Links: Burials, MIs and Cemetery records
« on: Friday 07 February 20 20:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hope this is the correct place to put this.

 I have home transcribed the burial register for Denholme Wesleyan.  (It's on Ancestry, but if your not a member you can't see it)

 I've transcribed the best I can, and have first name / Last name / age / burial date.

 I have also put it on a spreadsheet map too (this works as I found my ancestor) and it's not a large site.

 This is for the burial ground off the main road and Foster Park Road (where divine soaps is on Google maps)

 If you want me to check can you pm me as I don't always check the boards

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