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Hi

Thanks for getting back to me. Jane's maiden name of Turner is on the birth certificates of her subsequent children. As for her marriage to James - that has proved impossible to find in either Scotland or England. I have come to the conclusion that they had an irregular marriage as permitted in Scotland.

Her place of birth varies on the Census returns - Scotland, Glasgow or Longtown 'Dumfriesshire'. I appreciate that Longtown is the English side of the border with Dumfriesshire but I know that she was Scottish from what my grandfather, father and aunt told me and what is recorded in my grandfather's diaries that I have - some of which date to the early 1900's. Her clan was Lamont.

1881 Census for Rose and her mother

Name: Rose E. Beard
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Beard
Mother's Name: Jane Beard
Gender: Female
Where born: Normanby, Yorkshire, England
 
Civil parish: Gloucester Barton St Mary 
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Millbrook Cottage Millbrook St

Employment status: .
Occupation: Scholar

Name: Jane Beard
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Beard
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
 
Civil parish: Gloucester Barton St Mary
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
 
Street Address: 3 Millbrook Cottage Millbrook St
Condition as to marriage: Married
 
Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: South Hamlet
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page 
Piece: 2537
Folio: 22
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
James Beard 32
Jane Beard 32
Rose E. Beard 7
John D. Beard 5
Henry A. Beard 2
 
Regards

Paul

Does anyone have access to electoral rolls for 1874/75/76 for Brook Street, Penrith? I am trying to establish the home address for James Beard (1848-1910) for the years shown. Birth certificate for eldest son of James and his wife Jane (nee Turner) - John David Beard - shows that he was born in Brook Street in 1875. By 1877 the family had moved to Gloucester. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to read this message.

Hi - Rose Ellen Beard was born on 3rd March 1873 in Normanby (near Leeds). I am awaiting her birth certificate so that I can track down an address for her parents and confirm whether or not they were actually married when she was born. Can confirm (a) her date of birth from my grandfather's diaries and (b) place of birth given on 1881 Census.

Regards

Paul

Hi - thanks very much for getting back to me. I've checked the Census records from 1881 to 1911 inclusive and her place of birth is shown as follows. 1881 - Scotland, 1891 - Swilland, Gloucestershire, 1901 - Scotland and 1911 - Longtown, Scotland.

Swilland is in Suffolk and there is a Jane Turner, born in 1849, in Suffolk. Having checked the 1891 Census form itself the entry 'Swilland' is clearly a mistake on the part of whoever transcribed it onto digital records as the form states place of birth as Glasgow, Scotland.

I haven't checked prior to 1881 as the 1871 Census shows her husband to be (James Beard) to be single, living in Lymm, Cheshire and working as a stonemason, so uncertain as to which one of many Jane Turner's she may have been.

Her son (James Edward Beard) my paternal grandfather, kept diaries from when he was very young and I have read through them all. Hardly mentions his parents but does say that his mother is Scottish. Beyond that I have no other information.

Am awaiting birth certificates for her two eldest children (born in Yorkshire & Cumbria respectively) to try and find out addresses where Jane and James were living when children were born. Key, I think, to finding out about Jane and her ancestors is for me to trace the marriage record. I have checked all of the England & Wales GRO 'Jane Turner' marriages for 1870 to 1874 and none of them are her and James. I remain convinced that they were married in Scotland.

Frances

Thank you very much - I am particularly interested in the P Tovell so I will work on that one as the others may well be his (always assuming that P Tovell is male) sons.

Regards

Paul