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Dumfriesshire / Re: Herbertsons of Dalton
« on: Saturday 15 July 17 15:53 BST (UK)  »
I have been researching the birth and parentage of William Beattie born 11th November 1796 (baptised 1st December 1796) father Andrew Beattie mother Margaret Herbertson of Dalton. Andrew and Margaret were married on 27th November 1796 in Dalton. I would be interested to know if this marriage was mentioned in the Dumfriesshire Kirk sessions. William became a tea dealer and on his journeys through Montgomeryshire married my 2x gt grandmother Elizabeth Newill. He died in Welshpool aged 78 in 1874. So I was interested to see the grave records in Dalton for the rest of the family.

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Montgomeryshire / Re: John Newill
« on: Monday 06 April 15 17:56 BST (UK)  »
Hello Fountaintower,
I'm interested in the parents you have for John Newill - Richard and Catherine. Were any of his children given these names?
Some time ago I veered towards John Newill baptised 12th March 1771 at St. Martin's Birmingham.
His parents were Joseph Newill and Anne (Green) who married at St. Michael's Coventry 3rd November 1755 and their children were George,Anne . Thomas, Elizabeth, John and Joseph.
I was interested in this family as the Newill's and Beatties have very strong links with Birmingham and I was hoping to find an apprenticeship record for John Newill as a tailor.

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Montgomeryshire / Re: John Newill
« on: Sunday 05 April 15 18:10 BST (UK)  »
Thank you. The difficulty with Jane Owen is proving it's the correct baptism. The record does not say illegitimate so maybe her mother was a widow. We have tried looking for links with Owens further forward. In fact John and Elizabeth Newill are buried in a vaulted tomb which includes a top stone naming a Thomas Owen. ... but the M I compilers questioned whether this stone belonged to the Newill tomb.
Thank you for all your searches. We have searched through some of the Volumes in the library collected by Mary Newill OWEN ( I have a letter written by her to my grandmother) But she doesn't seem to trace the ancestry further back than John Newill 1771.
Fishergate

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Montgomeryshire / Re: John Newill
« on: Saturday 04 April 15 19:21 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your replies. John Newill was a tailor on his marriage bond in the Welsh Library and later overseer for the poor who would also supervise settlement of newcomers into the Parish. He is my gt gt gt grandfather through William Beattie and Elizabeth Newill. We are interested in tracing John Newill back as he says he wasn't born in the County in 1841; There is a similar blockage with William Beattie who was born in Dumfries (shire)1796/7 and was a travelling teadealer, who seems to have 'linked up' with Elizabeth Newill on his travels and was  married hurriedly by licence at Meols Brace in 1824. He later farmed at Red Bank and had the vote in 1860.We have traced back Elizabeth Hekin John's wife but her mother Jane Owen's roots are difficult to trace. We have a good tree for the Hekin;ekin .Eakin, Ikin Family in Shropshire.
Regards
Fishergate

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Montgomeryshire / Re: John Newill
« on: Friday 03 April 15 16:28 BST (UK)  »
I was interested in your information on John Newill being born to Richard and Catherine Howell.
I had been looking at a John Newill born 1771 in Warwickshire but I would be interested to follow your lead.
Regards
Fishergate

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Robert Beattie
« on: Wednesday 02 October 13 19:08 BST (UK)  »
Hello Neil, I have received a tree, which you probably have (because you are on it as the Blackburn branch )  WALTER Beattie b. 1679 m Marion Black d. Craig 1752. Children John d.1866 Watcarrick Elizabeth born 1736 d. 1804. WILLIAMb. 1724 m. 1767 Anne Scott d. 1800 Fingland. Children Walter d. 1769 Watcarrick Andrew d. 1860 Margaret b. 1770.d. 1782 ROBERT b. 1770 Watcarrick m. Mary Graham 1795(d. 1810). d. 1851. Children:Chatrin b. 1796; WILLIAM 1799 d. ? ;WILLIAM 1803 d. 1860 ? Ann b. 1805; Barbara b & D. 1810 . Robert married (2) Janet Chalmers 1811 daughter of William Chalmers (miller) and Elizabeth Farish Son Benjamin b. 1812 -1894 m. Janet Mcnairn 1849( 1824-1884) One of his sons was William Chalmers 1853- 1896 m,. Janet Porteus 1875 (1851-1885 ) I have some Porteus marrying Beatties but Janet doesn't feature in it. Anyway William 1799 is out of the picture !! 

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Robert Beattie
« on: Friday 20 September 13 21:53 BST (UK)  »
I read your information on Robert Beattie 1769 - 1851 with interest as I am trying to trace what happened to William Beattie, the son born to Mary Graham on 12th March 1799. Do you have any information on him - whether he died before 1824 or married in Scotland. My 2xgt grandfather was born in Dumfriesshire about this time and I have researched most of the William Beatties born in the 1790's without much certainty. My William Beattie was a tea dealer, married in Shropshire in 1824 and died in Welshpool in 1874. His eldest grandson was called Robert Beattie. I have traced
Robert Beattie's family back from Lochmaben to Westerkirk. What happened to Mary Graham ?
Best wishes
fishergate

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Shropshire / Re: IKIN/ OWEN
« on: Monday 25 July 11 18:50 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks Clare and Geoff for your replies. They are very helpful.
Fishergate

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Lancashire / Re: Scottish Tea-dealers in Liverpool
« on: Monday 11 April 11 20:51 BST (UK)  »
gillg
Do you have the parents of George Adamson born in Ruthwell Dumfriesshire ? He must have been a contemporary of my 2x gt. grandfather in Dumfriesshire. Was he a younger son ?
Fishergate

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