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Scotland / Re: A girl called Fortable!
« on: Saturday 28 March 09 00:42 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: sancti on Saturday 28 March 09 00:12 GMT (UK)
Has the Fortable who married in 1899 been found on the 1881 or 1891 census?

Yes.
1881 Gabella C. Summers b. abt 1879 with her parents in S. Knapdale, Argyll
1891 Isabella C. Simers b. abt 1879 with her mother (father deceased) in Glassery, Argyll
1901 Fortable McKenna b. abt 1876 with her husband David Meikle McKenna in Glagow

Everything that is available through SP has been researched.

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Scotland / Re: A girl called Fortable!
« on: Friday 27 March 09 23:54 GMT (UK)  »
This is the puzzle!!!! Did she make up her father's occupation and her mother's name? Or is what she reported at the time of her marriage correct? That is what we have been trying to work out, and the challenge has been the name Fortable! Only three Fortables have been found: (1) Fortable Campbell, who is named as the mother of Fortable Campbell Simers (the latters marriage registration to David Meikle McKenna) (2) Isabella 'Fortable'? C. Simers herself (census'), and (3) Fortable McKenna b. 1903, her daughter, who married a Boyd.

Her father was previously married to ???? (marriage registration to Elizabeth Murphy). It has been assumed that Isabella C. Simers b. abt 1849 in Lochgilphead to James Simers and Elizabeth Murphy is AKA as Fortable Simers who married David McKenna.  But is that correct? We don't know.

All very confusing unless one has been keeping tag, and the more one digs, the more confusing it seems to get. It doesn't help to have such an unusual name, and it is the name that provenance is being sought for. Any new ideas are welcome!

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Scotland / Re: A girl called Fortable!
« on: Friday 27 March 09 22:19 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry, I meant Glassary Argyll - unfamilair names venturing from Kirkcudbrightshire to Argyll  :)

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Scotland / Re: A girl called Fortable!
« on: Friday 27 March 09 22:16 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: sancti on Friday 27 March 09 21:48 GMT (UK)
Are there any census records showing James Simers as a butcher?

Callywoods and I have kinda been working on this together for some time: I have been looking at the census' but have not yet found anything more for him apart from the 1881 census, when he is listed as a Gardener at Reids Land, South Knapdale, Argyll.  Callywoods has the other registrations. Co-incidentally his son William (with Elizabeth Murphy Simers) is an Assistant Butcher in Glasserton 1901 census.  Now that I have a hunch that James Simers may have previously been married to Fortable Campbell (other names not known), I am looking for spelling variations and possible matches for her. I don't think we are going to find her by that name in the 'official' registrations though  ::)

Megan

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Scotland / Re: A girl called Fortable!
« on: Friday 27 March 09 20:04 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Callywoods on Monday 23 March 09 09:06 GMT (UK)
My main interest is in the actual name of Fortable and where it suddenly sprang from! 
The earliest record I can find is the marriage of Fortable Campbell Simers to David McKenna in 1899 where her parents are recorded as James Simers (butcher) and Fortable Campbell (deceased).

Curiouser and curiouser! So it looks like James Simers (butcher) was married twice: First to Fortable Campbell, and second to Elizabeth Murphy? Elizabeth Murphy Simers was still alive in 1901, living with children Patrick aka Robert, William. and Catherine Simers, so she was probably not  Isabella /Fortable Campbell Simer's natural mother.  The latter's 1899 marriage registration to David Meikle McKenna suggests that her birth mother was deceased.

Or, did James and  Elizabeth Murphy Simer's name one of their daughters after his deceased wife?  We know he was a widower when he married Elizabeth Murphy, from their marriage registration.

While the name Fortable was carried on through a third generation (Fortable McKenna b. 1903), none of this throws any light on the origin of the name or its meaning.  Finding out more about Fortable Campbell, James Simer's first wife, would seem to be a more promising path to follow   ???

Megan

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Scotland / Re: A girl called Fortable!
« on: Tuesday 24 March 09 17:14 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Cember on Sunday 22 March 09 18:12 GMT (UK)
Hi
I have an ancester named "Comfort" I wonder if "Fortable" could be an insider family joke/alternative?   

Sometimes the most obvious answers are right infront of our eyes, and your suggestion is probably the most likely  :)

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FH Documents and Artefacts / Re: Strange will
« on: Monday 23 March 09 12:40 GMT (UK)  »
Di,

I am curious as to how the name "John Crouch" is associated with this document, which to my eye reads "Coz. Cromch" ;D  I see the name is also on the first line in a different hand or style. I was thinking that if the calligraphic 'm' (as I see it) is indeed an 'm', then what follows might be that he is pt. (patient) of m. ch. (the beginning of a medical degree - master of surgery, and ????bachelor of medicine???). Since one can't see the whole of the first line, this is just a nice mind exercise  :) Perhaps John Crouch was on his death bed and a lay person/medical recorded his wishes before a lawyer/writer or cleric could get there?

Megan

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: Crown & Thistle - Gatehouse of Fleet
« on: Thursday 19 March 09 20:15 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Clingan on Thursday 19 March 09 08:25 GMT (UK)
Having read entry about Agnes Haining I am hoping someone maybe able to help clear up a mystery.
I have an Agnes Haining born about 1723 and married to a Thomas Clingan in Barrhead. This couple appear inscribed on the back of my Gt Grandfather/mother's stone at KPD but no one in the family can provide any details and so far I have drawn a blank.
Anyone able to provide any info please. For starters I didn't know  Haining/Hanning were inter-changeable.
Regards
Ian Clingan

Can't help you with your Haining mystery, Ian, but can add to the comment I made about the spelling of the name.  The OPR's have sometimes recorded "our" Hannings as Haining, but later the spelling is usually Hanning. Since I know they are the same people being referred to, it is always useful to try the variations when searching for them  :)

Scatza

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Who? Help Please!
« on: Monday 16 March 09 23:34 GMT (UK)  »
An example of the use of "Item" and numbers referred to in my last post.

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