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The Common Room / Re: Why do my offers of help seem to be rejected?
« on: Wednesday 15 May 24 06:29 BST (UK) »Many people prefer to be wrong than corrected.
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The Common Room / Re: Why do my offers of help seem to be rejected?
« on: Tuesday 14 May 24 19:49 BST (UK) »
It can be very frustrating, I agree. But ultimately I've learned not too offer too much unless and until I'm sure that the other person is actually receptive to the information.
Like you, davedrave, I've got a lot of family history documents which aren't available online (and may never be, given the nature of some of them). These didn't just fall into my lap, and in some instances they didn't come free either. Finding them, either by hard work or lucky happenstance, has added to their value in my eyes. But of course other people may not see them in the same light; and may not value them particularly if they've been handed to them on a plate by a stranger on the internet.
So now I will happily point people in certain directions online for information; if I've a spare evening I will enjoy helping on a RC thread, if I can, just as I would enjoy doing a crossword puzzle. But I don't offer, or hand over, some of those precious hard-sought not-on-the-internet items willy-nilly. I've been burned too many times. (Though it's always good to share info with other experienced RCers whose names I recognise and whose experience and knowledge comes across on the boards - I've had some great info on here and I'm happy to offer what I can in return to such people).
And you know, if you offer someone a lot of information and they choose to dismiss it when you KNOW that it's correct, you just have to remind yourself that it's their loss! Don't invest the mental energy on people who don't deserve it! (easier said than done though, I know!)
Like you, davedrave, I've got a lot of family history documents which aren't available online (and may never be, given the nature of some of them). These didn't just fall into my lap, and in some instances they didn't come free either. Finding them, either by hard work or lucky happenstance, has added to their value in my eyes. But of course other people may not see them in the same light; and may not value them particularly if they've been handed to them on a plate by a stranger on the internet.
So now I will happily point people in certain directions online for information; if I've a spare evening I will enjoy helping on a RC thread, if I can, just as I would enjoy doing a crossword puzzle. But I don't offer, or hand over, some of those precious hard-sought not-on-the-internet items willy-nilly. I've been burned too many times. (Though it's always good to share info with other experienced RCers whose names I recognise and whose experience and knowledge comes across on the boards - I've had some great info on here and I'm happy to offer what I can in return to such people).
And you know, if you offer someone a lot of information and they choose to dismiss it when you KNOW that it's correct, you just have to remind yourself that it's their loss! Don't invest the mental energy on people who don't deserve it! (easier said than done though, I know!)
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Thomas Hunt of Leicester 1786 Loughborough 1856 woolsorter
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 22:15 BST (UK) »
It looks to me as though it's likely that your Thomas b 1786 was the son of Thomas And Esther (Irish). Esther was used as a family name in subsequent generations.
He married Ann Moore and I can't see any burial for her so unless you have convincing evidence of descent from Ann Gilbert, that second marriage may not have been him.
I can't see any 1810 baptism for Esther but there is one in 1819 so I think it unlikely that any 1810 Esther was his. His children Ann and James survived; others - Thomas, Esther (1819), Sarah and John were buried as children. I can't see anything from newspaper reports to link the felonious Esther and Thomas Hunt to this family.
If you've got proof of another Esther baptism, descent from Ann Gilbert etc, please let us have a look so we can see if it helps clarify this
He married Ann Moore and I can't see any burial for her so unless you have convincing evidence of descent from Ann Gilbert, that second marriage may not have been him.
I can't see any 1810 baptism for Esther but there is one in 1819 so I think it unlikely that any 1810 Esther was his. His children Ann and James survived; others - Thomas, Esther (1819), Sarah and John were buried as children. I can't see anything from newspaper reports to link the felonious Esther and Thomas Hunt to this family.
If you've got proof of another Esther baptism, descent from Ann Gilbert etc, please let us have a look so we can see if it helps clarify this
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Thomas Hunt of Leicester 1786 Loughborough 1856 woolsorter
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 21:10 BST (UK) »Quote
ALSO UNCERTAIN are the correct parents for Thomas Hunt - Esther Irish also gives dna matches but which thomas Hunt did she marry?
See comments above re baptisms in Leicester to Thomas and Esther/Easter Hunt.
Poss marriage:
Thomas Hunt, of the parish of St Martin's, Leicester, m Esther Irish at Anstey on 20 Dec 1779; witnesses J Bishop and Robt Thorosby.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Thomas Hunt of Leicester 1786 Loughborough 1856 woolsorter
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 21:04 BST (UK) »
This may add to confusion but I'm putting it here in the hope of actually avoiding further confusion:
There was another Esther Hunt bapt in 1819 but at St Nicholas, d of William and Sarah. Obviously this needs to be taken into consideration when looking at the burial of Esther in 1820 at St Nicholas, but the address for the burial matches the York St address for Thomas and Ann's family.
There was another Thomas and Ann Hunt baptising children in Loughborough in the 1820s, but this Thomas was a FWK.
There were other Thomas/Ann pairs baptising children at various churches in Leicester in the 18teens, but none of the other Thomases was a woolstapler.
There was another Esther Hunt bapt in 1819 but at St Nicholas, d of William and Sarah. Obviously this needs to be taken into consideration when looking at the burial of Esther in 1820 at St Nicholas, but the address for the burial matches the York St address for Thomas and Ann's family.
There was another Thomas and Ann Hunt baptising children in Loughborough in the 1820s, but this Thomas was a FWK.
There were other Thomas/Ann pairs baptising children at various churches in Leicester in the 18teens, but none of the other Thomases was a woolstapler.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Thomas Hunt of Leicester 1786 Loughborough 1856 woolsorter
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 20:46 BST (UK) »Quote
But was he previously married to Ann Moore 1 Oct 1810 St Nicholas Leicester and had Esther 1810, Ann 1815 & Thomas 1817 all in Leicester?
I can't see a baptism for Esther 1810.
Ann bapt 17 April 1815, parents Thomas and Ann, woolstapler, York St
Thomas bapt 10 Nov 1817, same parents details, York St. (Thomas Hunt age 6, of York St, buried at St Nicolas in 1824).
Now this first wife Ann would need to have died not too long after that second birth for Thomas to have married Ann Gilbert in March 1819 and I can't see a death for Ann, wife of Thomas, York St. So how can you be certain that it was indeed your Thomas who married Ann Gilbert?
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Thomas Hunt of Leicester 1786 Loughborough 1856 woolsorter
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 20:33 BST (UK) »
I know you've got this but for the sake of clarity:
1819, 14 March: Thomas Hunt married Ann Gilbert at Leicester St Margaret, by banns. Witnesses Richard Stringer (who witnessed a lot of marriages so was probably the church warden or similar), and William Worth (made his mark).
You say that Esther was born in Loughborough but I can't see a Loughborough baptism. There is a poss St Margaret baptism:
26 April 1919; Esther Hunt; parents Thomas and Anne, of York St; Thomas a woolsorter.
However, Esther Hunt of York St was buried age 1 at St Nicholas on 8 Oct 1820.
There were also baptisms at St Margaret for Sarah Hunt, same parents and details, Sept 1 1823 (buried 6 days later)
and John Hunt, same parents and details, bapt 7 Nov 1820 (buried 10 june 1821)
Esther was a less common name and the fact that the first child was given this name makes me wonder about this for Thomas's baptism:
14 Dec 1786, Leic St Nicholas, Thomas Hunt son of Thomas and Easter Hunt (they had several other children b between 1781 - 1797).
1819, 14 March: Thomas Hunt married Ann Gilbert at Leicester St Margaret, by banns. Witnesses Richard Stringer (who witnessed a lot of marriages so was probably the church warden or similar), and William Worth (made his mark).
You say that Esther was born in Loughborough but I can't see a Loughborough baptism. There is a poss St Margaret baptism:
26 April 1919; Esther Hunt; parents Thomas and Anne, of York St; Thomas a woolsorter.
However, Esther Hunt of York St was buried age 1 at St Nicholas on 8 Oct 1820.
There were also baptisms at St Margaret for Sarah Hunt, same parents and details, Sept 1 1823 (buried 6 days later)
and John Hunt, same parents and details, bapt 7 Nov 1820 (buried 10 june 1821)
Esther was a less common name and the fact that the first child was given this name makes me wonder about this for Thomas's baptism:
14 Dec 1786, Leic St Nicholas, Thomas Hunt son of Thomas and Easter Hunt (they had several other children b between 1781 - 1797).
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Nottinghamshire / Re: St Leodagarius, Basford
« on: Friday 03 May 24 17:46 BST (UK) »
Marriage:
1745 12 01 Daniel DIGGLEY Phoebe BARTON RADFORD St Peter
I wonder if this is Phoebe's baptism:
1728 04 12 Phoebe Esau BARTON Phoebe NOTTINGHAM St Mary
I can't see a baptism for Dan* Dig*
1745 12 01 Daniel DIGGLEY Phoebe BARTON RADFORD St Peter
I wonder if this is Phoebe's baptism:
1728 04 12 Phoebe Esau BARTON Phoebe NOTTINGHAM St Mary
I can't see a baptism for Dan* Dig*
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Nottinghamshire / Re: St Leodagarius, Basford
« on: Friday 03 May 24 17:29 BST (UK) »
Baptisms to Sarah and William Johnson, or Johnson, Diggle:
1785 11 08 Samuel father Johnson, no mother named.
1789 08 02 William William Johnson mother Sarah
1791 11 13 Ann William Johnson Sarah
1794 05 15 Nathan Willm Johnson Sarah
1797 03 24 Daniel Wm Johnson Sarah
1799 09 22 Samuel Wm Johnson Sarah
1804 02 19 George Johnson Sarah
Burials:
1785 01 09 Phoebe DIGGLE Basford Dau of Johnson
1785 11 18 Samuel DIGGLE Basford Son of Johnson
This may have been Phoebe's baptism:
1784 08 08 Phebe father William DIGLEY mother Sarah HUCKNALL TORKARD St Mary Magdalene
Likely marriage:
1783 08 18 Johnson DIGGLE and Sarah RHODES NOTTINGHAM St Mary
There's only one Digley burial in Basford on my disc; Ann Digley, 1811.
There's the burial of Daniel Diggle, householder, on 19 May 1768; the only other one I can see for Phoebe Diggle was in 1834 (no age given)
1785 11 08 Samuel father Johnson, no mother named.
1789 08 02 William William Johnson mother Sarah
1791 11 13 Ann William Johnson Sarah
1794 05 15 Nathan Willm Johnson Sarah
1797 03 24 Daniel Wm Johnson Sarah
1799 09 22 Samuel Wm Johnson Sarah
1804 02 19 George Johnson Sarah
Burials:
1785 01 09 Phoebe DIGGLE Basford Dau of Johnson
1785 11 18 Samuel DIGGLE Basford Son of Johnson
This may have been Phoebe's baptism:
1784 08 08 Phebe father William DIGLEY mother Sarah HUCKNALL TORKARD St Mary Magdalene
Likely marriage:
1783 08 18 Johnson DIGGLE and Sarah RHODES NOTTINGHAM St Mary
There's only one Digley burial in Basford on my disc; Ann Digley, 1811.
There's the burial of Daniel Diggle, householder, on 19 May 1768; the only other one I can see for Phoebe Diggle was in 1834 (no age given)