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Armed Forces / William James of 50th Foot Regimental Number 1410
« on: Friday 02 April 21 07:16 BST (UK)  »
Hi RootsChat members, can anyone advise me if and perhaps how I could access details of the following. I am trying to establish the parentage of William and was hoping that there may be a clue in these records. His place of Birth is given in various Censuses as Great Clacton, Bristol and Newport Monmouthshire.

Many Thanks

Robin


The worldwide army index for 1871 has a William James in the 50th (The Queen's Own) Regiment Of Foot. Regimental number 1410.

Census 1871
Hampshire  Aldershot  50th Queens Own Regiment of Infantry
William James Unm 20 Private b Newport Monmouthshire.

The 50th Foot were in Bristol in 1870

Courts Martials Registers
William James of 50th Foot 9 Oct 1871, Aldershot
Ref WO 86/20


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You osprey along with others did a tremendous amount of work on this back in June, but it all seemed in the end to lead up blind alleys, I thought I would clear the decks and have a fresh look! I purposely took a break over the winter and decided to have another look now. Thanks for all you did previously, it was much appreciated.

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Thankyou both rosie99 and Milliepede regarding Death Certificates, I have seen mid 1900's the use of DOB and where born on Certificates, I just wondered how far back this practice went, I was hoping 1899! I suspect that William comes from Newport Monmouthshire based on the fact that the earliest info I have of him is in the 1871 Census aged 20 whilst in the Army at Aldershot, and my warped logic suggests to me the earlier the age the more likely that the information gleaned is to be accurate. It certainly is a teaser this one!

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Essex / William James and Father George James 1861 Census and William's Bapt/Birth
« on: Thursday 18 March 21 10:24 GMT (UK)  »
To give some sort of background and perhaps a few clues as to where William was and indeed his father George were in 1861, listed below is what I have from kind Rootschat members a good year or so ago. Would William's Death Certificate give DOB and where born as in later certificates? William does not seem to know where he originated as there appears to be conflicting locations given ie  Great Clacton, Newport and Bristol! If this is info is considered too much please say and I will delete some of it. Thanks as always. Robin

Interments at Colchester Cemetery.
For the week ending Friday, October 27;
includes...William James, St. Botolph, 50 years

1899 Death Registration
William James aged 50 death registered Dec qtr Colchester
Volume 4a Page: 406

1891 Census  St James Colchester
2 Brook Street
William James 42 Fishmonger b Bristol
Emma James 37 b Colchester
William James 14 b Colchester
Elizabeth James 12 b Colchester
Emma James 10 b Colchester
Edward James 8 b Colchester

1881 Census St Botolphs Colchester
Vineyard St
William James Hd 30 b Great Clacton
Emma James Wife 24 b Colchester
William 4 b Colchester
Elizabeth 2 b Colchester

Marriage 15 October 1873 Parish Church St Giles, Colchester
William James (23) Bachelor Private 50th Regt Living Golden Hill Father George James Lath Splitter.
Emma Double(19) Spinster Living Golden Hill Father George Double Labourer

Birth 1874
Mary Ann Jane b Sep Qtr Reg Dist Colchester Vol 4a Page 323 Mmn Double
Birth 1876
(Mary Ann Jane sadly died aged 1 year.)
William James b Dec Qtr Reg Dist Colchester Vol 4a page 345 Mmn Double
Birth 1879
Elizabeth James b Jun Qtr Reg Dist Colchester Vol 4a Page 386 Mmn Double
Birth 1881
Emma James b Sep Qtr Reg Dist Colchester Vol 4a  Page 413 Mmn Double
Birth 1883
Edward James b Sep Qtr Reg Dist Colchester Vol 4a page 447 Mmn Double

Essex newspapers have the 50th Regiment stationed at Colchester in 1873

Courts Martials Registers
William James of 50th Foot
9 Oct 1871, Aldershot
Ref WO 86/20

The worldwide army index for 1871 has a William James in the 50th (The Queen's Own) Regiment Of Foot.
Regimental number 1410.

Census 1871
Hampshire  Aldershot  50th Queens Own Regiment of Infantry
William James Unm 20 Private b Newport Monmouthshire.

The 50th Foot were in Bristol in 1870

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Crikey, I am going to have to take a rain check on that info! I need to get my head around it! I am currently trying to make sense of it all! Thankyou as always for the Rootschat family for helping me out!

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Having continued to research the Hayes family I have managed to get back to the grandfather of Henry James namely Henry Hayes b c1832.

Although my research started in Bedfordshire, I quickly found that historically, several generations lived in the Dartford and Wrotham Registration Districts of Kent. The Grandfather of Henry James was Henry Hayes b c1832 Wrotham who married Mary Collins Sep Qtr 1853 Shipbourne. Mary b c1836 I have them in 1861, 1871 living Dunks Green, Wrotham, 1881 Shipbourne. 1891,1901 Swanscombe.


Regards

Robin

I am now trying to Find Henry Hayes (Bapt Shipbourne 6 Mar 1831) in the 1841/51 Census but no joy at all! Father of Henry I believe is John Hayes who married Mary Carter 18 Mar 1823, I can find neither John or Mary in these Census's when I would have expected Henry to have been living with them. I am also seeking John Hayes baptism in an attempt to take the family back further but again I am struggling to find any likely family associations.

I sound like a broken record but if anyone can shine a light, I would very much appreciate it!

Robin

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Thankyou so much LadyHawk..... I have spent a frustrating time looking for him and the reason I have not is that his given age here is 10 years older than he actually was! The search parameters I set were way out! I use FindMyPast and I have now checked the original, and it definitely records him as being 89 yrs! I think the son or who ever did the sum had him born c1822 rather than c1832. The son's age ties in with earlier census's and Henry was a greengrocer and corn merchant before retirement!
Now looking for his death after 1911.

Thanks again
Robin

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Having continued to research the Hayes family I have managed to get back to the grandfather of Henry James namely Henry Hayes b c1832.

Although my research started in Bedfordshire, I quickly found that historically, several generations lived in the Dartford and Wrotham Registration Districts of Kent. The Grandfather of Henry James was Henry Hayes b c1832 Wrotham who married Mary Collins Sep Qtr 1853. Mary b c1836 I have them in 1861, 1871 living Dunks Green, Wrotham, 1881 ShipBorne. 1891,1901 Swanscombe.

I have found that wife Mary died aged 72 at 71, High Street Greenhithe 22 Oct 1904. I cannot find Henry in 1911 Census neither can I find a logical death date for him. If anyone can help me with either Henry in 1911 or a possible death date, location etc I would be very much obliged. I wasn't sure whether I should have put this on the Kent site!

Regards

Robin

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Annette7 and JohnP that is amazing work! I appreciate your comment re living persons. All so much appreciated.

Robin!

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