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The Common Room / Illegitimate mother a “Mason” in 1823 Cheshire ?
« on: Friday 08 September 23 19:48 BST (UK)  »
I would be grateful for any thoughts on a Tarporley, Cheshire 9 Nov 1823 baptism entry.

Fortunately there is a “Rough Register” as well as the Parish Register and Bishop’s Transcript.

The first records, “Christenings. 1823 Nov 9. Margret [sic] Dr. of Hannah Cookson mason Tarporley base”.

The PR records, “1823 Nov 9. Margt. daughter of Hannah Cookson. Abode: Tarporley. illegitimate”.

The BP reads, “1823 Nov 9. Margt. daughter of Hannah Cookson. Abode: Tarporley. illegitimate spinster mason”. The words “spinster” and “mason” were then struck through. All other illegitimate births either side of this for several years follow a different format, e.g. “Joe base son of Jane Bloggs of Tarporley”, with no profession/trade mentioned. So Hannah's 'mason' reference stands out even more. I should add that the entries preceding and following Margaret's are married couples and include the father's trade so I do not think it is a 'data entry error' back in 1823.

When Margaret married in Tarporley on 26 Jun 1845 her father was recorded as ‘William Cookson. Carpenter” though he did not sign the Register as a Witness if he was present that day.

The word “mason” stands out as I think it unlikely Hannah Cookson was a mason in rural Cheshire in 1823. If her father was actually William Cookson, why would Hannah have the same surname if she was unmarried (unless it was a coincidence) ? And if William was her father, how likely is it that he would change trades from mason to carpenter ? Was ‘mason’ a subtle reference to whoever actually was Margaret’s father ?

I don’t think I will ever solve Margaret’s parentage but any thoughts/suggestions/comments on the above would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Simon

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Cheshire / Has anyone ever heard of this pre-1791 book ?
« on: Friday 02 June 23 20:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi, all,

I recently came across a reference in a 1791 book to "Caterall's Book of the Antiquity and Gentry of Cheshire" (see attached photo).

I have tried to find a copy or even a mention of its existence elsewhere but without success.

I contacted the ever-helpful folks at Cheshire Archives but they too drew a blank.

I also tried the British Library's website. I could find nothing there but I am unfamiliar with its search tools. So maybe I failed to find something there where a more experienced user might succeed.

Can anybody help ?

Thanks in advance for any answers/suggestions etc.

Simon

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Hi,
Attached is an entry from the Wilne, Derbyshire Parish Register for 1653. It is page 57 from Ancestry, which transcribes it as William the son of Francis and Susannah Shardlow.
Try as I might, I cannot see that as correct. I see it more as something like, 'Xliam of John and Katherine John in Shardlow [March] 14'. NB Shardlow is a town in Wilne Parish.
I would be grateful for any ideas/comments/suggestions on a correct transcription.
Thanks in advance.
Simon

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Hi,

This is not a photo restoration request but I hope people here can help as it is photo-related.

The attached is from ‘The Syracuse Herald’ of 19 Apr 1914.

A relative of mine is Joseph J. Dudleston. According to the detail he is the third from left in the Second Row.

I am a bit unsure of which one he is but I think he is No. 11.

I would welcome people’s thoughts on whether they agree or if they think he is a different number.

Thanks in advance.

Simon

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Denbighshire / Does anybody know where Llan is in/near Yspytty-Ifan ?
« on: Monday 13 March 23 13:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I am trying to locate "Llan" near Yspytty-Ifan (spelt several different ways over the years) in Denbighshire. It appears as the abode of quite a few people in and around the 1820s baptismal entries in the Parish Register there. I have looked at several 19th Centrury maps but without success.

Can anybody help, please ?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions/ideas !

Simon

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Lancashire / Leigh, Lancashire - Wesleyan Methodist burial locations - confused.
« on: Wednesday 09 November 22 19:39 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,
I am researching some Wesleyan Methodist ancestors who lived in Leigh, Lancs., which seems to have had quite a lot of Wesleyan Chapels over the years.
Specifically, I am confused about burial grounds.
There was clearly a burial ground/cemetery at Bedford Wesleyan Chapel (founded in 1793) on the corner of Chapel Street and North Street as it appears on maps.
However, Ancestry has a Burial Register for the 'Wesleyan Methodist Chapel Leigh" (founded about 1815).
This suggests there were at least two Methodist Chapels with Burial Grounds but I cannot locate the latter.
I wonder if it was the King Street Chapel (founded about 1805) but this does not appear to have a Burial Ground on any of the maps I have looked at online.
Can anybody help ?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts/comments/ideas.
Simon

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Census and Resource Discussion / 1939 National Register - abbreviation LGD ?
« on: Monday 26 September 22 05:02 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Would anybody know what the abbreviation "LGD" written above "S" for "Single" would mean ?

It is entered in the attached for Dorothy Snellgrove in Bootle, Lancs.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions/comments, etc.

Simon

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Hello,
I have come across an ancestor whose Cheshire birth is recorded in a Quaker Register as, "Richard Sonn of Ralph Jannion of Newton was borne 17-10-1652". Just over a year later, on 20 December 1653 a baptism is recorded in the local Frodsham Parish Church Register as, "1653 ... December ... Richard Janion son of Raph of Newton 20[th]". I am reasonably confident these are one and the same child. Not least because Newton was a tiny community then - as it is even now. I am equally confident the father is the same person.
My question is, was it conventional for a Quaker child to be baptized in the local CofE parish church at that time ? Or am I missing something ?
Thanks in advance for any replies/thoughts/ideas.
Simon

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The Common Room / Wales - middle names added not in Civil Registration entries
« on: Friday 20 May 22 13:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
In researching my 19th and 20th Century Merionethshire and Denbighshire ancestors, I have come across many instances of birth registrations with just one first name but then in Census entries and all later documents a middle name appears. As most of my ancestors in Wales were 'Chapel', I have not been able to find baptism entries to see if these middle names were added shortly after birth or not. Does anybody know if this addition of a non-Civil Registration middle name was common practice in mid-Wales at those times ?
Any other thoughts/suggestions/ideas welcome.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Simon

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