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Could Sarah Jane really be meant to be 4 in 1841, and was a daughter of William and Mary?
Baptism of Sarah Jane at Holy Trinity, Hull, 6 May 1837
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRQB-QHV

Marriage at same place, 23 Sep 1861, to Thomas Briney, Sarah Jane's father is William Patterson.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN7Y-8VC

Jonw65 - I have attached the extract from the 1841 census.  My mistake, Sarah Jane seems to be shown as 40, not 4?  Although the family group does seem a little all over the place!

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As an easier to view summary, I have added a tree showing my ancestors from my grandfather Kenneth William Patterson.  http://sites.rootsmagic.com/Patterson/index.php

Regards,

Nic

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River Tyne Lass - that would be awesome!  You are a super star!

I will try to do some more work on the Patterson clan at the weekend.

Thank you.

Nic

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Thank you - after redoing my whole tree a few years ago I promised myself I would only include people that I had conclusive evidence for.  I am happy that Robert is my 4xGG but not about his birth or parents yet.

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Thank you for the help so far.  I have tried to piece together what has been offered to date and have attached an image of a draft tree.  I am happy with my tree up to Robert and Eleanor being married.  Robert's brothers John and Cuthbert I was unaware of but the name Cuthbert could confirm that William (my 5x great grandfather and Elizabeth are the correct parents of my 4x great grandfather and that Cuthbert Richardson is my 6x great grandfather.  As my paternal line is Patterson I would be grateful for any help in tracing William's family further back and also to confirm if I have the draft tree correct.
For completeness … my paternal ancestors are:

5xGG William Patterson
4XGG Robert Patterson (1798 - ?) married Eleanor Dunn 1813
3XGG William Patterson (1814 - 1882) married Mary Lawton 1835 and then partnered with Eliza Barley
2XGG Arthur Barrington Patterson (1868-1953) married Helen Whisker 1872

Thank you,

Nic

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Potential parish register deaths for Robert could include:

Agra, India 1837, aged 38, Private of the Honorable Companys En Regt.
There are a couple of possibles in Tynemouth in 1832 (no dob)

Potential civil deaths for Robert include:
3 in 1839-40 in Durham (I guess I could order the certs and see who registered the death).

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Thank you again Colin,

So far, I have ...

In 1841, I have Eleanor living with her son William in Osborne Street, Kingston upon Hull.
William is married to Mary (Lawton) and they have young children Mary Ann and William.
His sister (Eleanor's daughter) Sarah Jane is also with them.  There is no sign of Robert.

In 1851, Eleanor is living at 15 Myton Street, Kingston upon Hull.  This time she is shown as the head and is a widower (place of birth Deptford, Kent about 1781).  Her sons William (b. Newcastle upon Tyne about 1816) and John (b. Durham about 1828) are living with her.

I will have to take stock of what I have so far and what you have kindly added.  I guess I am looking for a burial of Robert sometime between his son John being born in 1827 and his wife Eleanor being without him in 1841.

Nic

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Thank you Colin - your help and time is very much appreciated.

Whilst I agree that the 1798 baptism might be the right one (and that only being aged 15 when he got married isn't an issue) I'm still a little nervous about how "certain" I can be that it is the right Robert.

As William's marriage transcription doesn't have the parents' names will I ever be able to be certain?

Although the transcription doesn't have parents' names, should there be an original that does?

Regards,

Nic

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Northumberland / Looking for Robert Patterson's (m. 1813 Newcastle) birth and parents
« on: Wednesday 15 January 20 20:05 GMT (UK)  »
Good evening and thank you in advance for any help that can be given.

My 4xGreat Grandfather is Robert Patterson who married Eleanor Dunn at All Saints, Newcastle on 22 March 1813.

One of their children that I know of was William (1814-1882 my 3xG grandfather).  I have explored parts of this section of my family before on rootschat (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=790785.0) and am very grateful for all the help that I got.

My problem now is finding Robert's parents.  Usually I would find the father's name from the parish marriage and work backwards from that to match up the names in a baptism.  Despite their being several transcriptions of the marriage online, none of them give the father's name or Robert's age.  I have found two Roberts baptised in Newcastle between 1785 and 1795 but without a connection to a father's name or a birth date range I can't see how I can make sure that I have the right person (or even if he was born in Newcastle.  Maybe he was born across the border?).

Any help in tracking and confirming Robert's birth date and his parents would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

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