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The Common Room / Re: Children after Father’s Death
« on: Yesterday at 11:03 »
As above -

One possibility which occurs to me is that the 1899 child Arthur may not be hers, but perhaps one of her daughters' ?  If your dates are correct she would have been ~46 when Arthur was born, which while not impossible, would have been unusual; most large families stopped growing when the mother reached about 40.

Clearly there are no reliable statistics on this topic, but it's a very long-established scenario from a time when living was hard and contraception was non-existent or expensive.

The Common Room / Re: "Bucky" Nickname or short for something
« on: Thursday 27 May 21 11:56 BST (UK)  »
Although some given names can attract a particular pet name, others may have no better origin than a school or college fad.  Bucky sounds more transatlantic (I see you are Canadian) than English, where Bunny seems to be equally peculiar.

One recent example comes to mind which may seem equally hard to explain for future generations: the ex-cricketer Andrew Flintoff, who everyone knows as Freddie because his surname resembles Flintstone; that may already be meaningless to the young generation.

The Common Room / Re: How to explain his “gentleman” status?
« on: Wednesday 26 May 21 09:21 BST (UK)  »
I think it means simply that he has no occupation - i.e. he no longer occupies himself.  It probably corresponds to the ladies who 'live on own means'.  Presumably he has planted tea profitably.

On my wife's tree is a very ordinary lad who married in Gateshead in the 1850s, describing his father as a 'gentleman', which had fascinated his family.  I unearthed what I could, and my presumption is that his teenage mother, who apparently did not marry until her thirties, had possibly been taken advantage of by the local squire.  So to that extent the description may have been accurate.

The Common Room / Re: Surname evolution... could Bryan/Brian become Brant?
« on: Tuesday 25 May 21 09:14 BST (UK)  »
I think 'evolution' is the wrong word to apply to names at the time you mention.  Few people could read or write, and the only 'standard' spelling was in Latin.  Scribes tried to write what they heard, so what got recorded would depend on the speaker.  As literacy grew, names tended not to evolve, as their owners became attached to them, so many variants were 'fossilised'.

My tree includes a family in east Somerset which changed from Allard to Allwood.  I can just about imagine a West Country accent somewhere between those two spellings.

The Common Room / Re: Sixpence
« on: Saturday 22 May 21 23:13 BST (UK)  »
The original 5 New Pence piece was the same size as a shilling and a 10 New Pence piece was the same size as a florin (2 shillings). Are the present coins smaller than original New Pence coins or just lighter? Or is it just me thinking everything is smaller now?  There was no new coin worth the same as an old sixpence.

We were decimalised in February 1971 - just over 50 years ago.  To begin with, the values which would be retained stayed the same to limit confusion - that was the shilling (5p) and the florin.  Anything smaller had no exact equivalent.  As the 'silver' coins were bulky, much later they shrank to the size we have now.  We had to accept the 7-sided 50p piece instead of ten-bob notes !

It always seemed silly to me that we had florins (2/-) as well as half-crowns (2/6), both huge coins which quickly wore holes in trouser pockets.  The reason was that florins were a Victorian attempt at decimalisation which went no further, but that coin persisted.

The Common Room / Re: Seaching PRs and came across these symbols
« on: Saturday 22 May 21 09:21 BST (UK)  »
Schoolboy German comes in handy, sometimes ;)

As I also suggested, schoolboy French shows things better than German :

Monday (Lundi);  Tuesday (Mardi: Mars);  Wednesday (Mercredi);  Thursday (Jeudi: Jupiter);  Friday (Vendredi: Venus).

I checked the perpetual calendar linked above (#20) and most of the dates in the OP matched for 1701.  It's not clear whether that corresponds to '1701' starting or ending in March - which is why transcribers of old records have to show either/or.

The Common Room / Re: Seaching PRs and came across these symbols
« on: Friday 21 May 21 23:08 BST (UK)  »
Forgive me for seeming not quite on top of all this, but have we actually reached a consensus as to what these planetary symbols actually mean? A day of the week, or an hour of the day?
I don't know about a consensus, but after Sandblown's explicit diagram above I am surprised that you still seem to have doubts - unless you disbelieve the diagram of course ...  :)

I'm not sure how you could assume anything to do with hours of the day - please explain.

The Common Room / Re: Seaching PRs and came across these symbols
« on: Friday 21 May 21 18:24 BST (UK)  »
Well, if nothing else, I think that diagram answers what the symbols on the OP must be about.  We  are looking at Sundays, Wednesdays and Saturdays, as we supposed.  Presumably the original scribe knew what he was doing ?

The Common Room / Re: Seaching PRs and came across these symbols
« on: Friday 21 May 21 15:08 BST (UK)  »
Yes, but surely that means if you were calculating back from now to a date in 1702, the days of the week would be offset by 3 days?

Can we be sure of the year we are discussing ? The calendar year then began on March 25th - which may explain why the extract we are shown starts on the 30th ?  We may be looking at 1701 or 1703 (new style).  Tho that would only make a day's difference to our calculation of course .... >:(

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