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I got a copy recently of my Gt Gt Grandfather's marriage certificate for his second marriage. Amongst other things, I'm trying to find out who his real parents are. The certificate said he was a widower when he married. I have his birthdate as 1856 +/- 1 year, and his second marriage is Dec 1880. I've checked the marriage index on Ancestry for every year from 1870 to 1880, but can't find an obvious marriage (there's only 142 possibles!!) which would have been in Ripon, since he seemed to have lived most of his life there.

Other than shelling out £7 a time for a marriage certificate on the chance it's the right one, is there any other way of finding out who he might have married? The other information I have is his occupation (currier), and possibly who his father is from his 1880 marriage certificate, although I suspect this might not  actually be true! I have census entries for him from 1871 to 1901: sadly he does not appear on the 1861 census (he would have been about 5 years old). I think there are some Ripon entries missing for that year?

His name is George Anderson. His census entries are:

1871 RG10 Piece 4003 Folio 68 Page 36 - Living with his uncle in Hulme
1881 RG11 Piece 4317 Folio 118 Page 6 - married in Ripon
1891 RG12 Piece 3510 Folio 105 Page 17 and
         RG12 Piece 3510 Folio 105 Page 18
1901 RG13 Piece 4040 Folio 61 Page 7

I think I've found his birth index entry - it doesn't show up on FreeBMD, but I've scanned the index entries and found one for Ripon in the right year. I've now got this on order, but it's the first marriage bit that's now intiguing me.

Any ideas on how to track own the right marriage will be gratefully received.

Regards

David Dewick

I was trying to track down the parents of Jane Ideson, born 1803 in or around Knaresborough and married to Joseph Scatchard when I came across these two 1861 census returns:

1861 Census

Yorkshire, Bishop Monkton, District 12f
RG9 Piece 3197 Folio 28 Page 11
Schedule 58, Crown Inn, Bishop Monkton

Joseph Scatchard   Head   Mar   61   Carpenter and Inn Keeper   Yorkshire, Bishop Monkton
Jane   do   Wife   Mar   59                                      Yorkshire, Brearton
Jane   do   Daur   Un   21                                      Yorkshire, Bishop Monkton
William Ideson   Nephew   Mar   32   Farmer                                   Yorkshire, Bishop Monkton
Ann    do   Niece      7   Scholar                                   Yorkshire, Head Grange
Anthony Burnett   Boarder   Widr   84   Land and House Proprieter   Yorkshire, Bishop Monkton
and 

1861 Census

Yorkshire, Kilburn, District 1
RG9 Piece 3635 Folio 7 Page 7

Schedule 31, Hood Grange

Joshua Ideson   Head   Widower   61   Farmer of 86 acres   Yorkshire, Brearton
Eliz^th   do   Dau   Un   29   Farmers dau   Yorkshire, Bishop Monkton
Eliz^th  Wilkinson   Visitor   Mar   56   Farmers wife   Yorkshire, Brearton
William Acres   Serv   Un   18   Farmer’s servt   Yorkshire, Ripon
Edward Ellis   Serv   Un   24       do         do   Yorkshire, Kilburn
Christiana Carter   Serv   Un   29   house Servant   Yorkshire, Bilsdale

Schedule 32, Hood Grange

William Ideson   Head   Mar   33   Farmer of 30 acres   Yorkshire, Bishop Monkton
Sarah   do   Wife   Mar   34   Farmer’s wife   Yorkshire, Cundale
Ann   do   Daur      7   Scholar                   Yorkshire, Hood Grange
Jane   do   Daur      4                      Yorkshire, Hood Grange
William   do   Son      1½                       Yorkshire, Hood Grange
Ellen Leeming   Serv   Un   20   House Servt.   Yorkshire, Kilburn
Thomas Tebb   Serv   Un   20   House Servt.   Yorkshire, Raskelf
Richard Wright   Serv   Un   19   House Servt.   Yorkshire, Yearsley
William Martin   Serv   Un   17   House Servt.   Yorkshire, Thirsk
William Smith   Serv   Un   17   House Servt.   Yorkshire, Tollerton

Joshua Ideson is William Ideson's dad, I think.

Is it known, possible, common, for the same people to be included on two different returns, in this case William and Ann Ideson? The ages and both places are too close to be a coincidence, surely?

Hello Wendy

Page two of this conversaaton seems to have shrunk to a more normal size 

Thanks for your time in helping me with this particular bit of research. Your said earlier "I'm giving this info but I am not sure where I am taking it to.", and I must admit it's been a puzzling journey for me too.  However, one of the fun things about this game is the fact it takes you to some strange places sometimes. I'm learning a lot about curriers and ropemakers and thats all a bit different to the other side of the family where they're all chain and nail makers.

I tried following your link, but all I get is the IGI search page. Is there any chance you could give me a few more details so that I can try the same search?

Thanks

David

Thank you  everyone for your help, but I've been barking up the wrong tree  . Wendy has put me firmly back on the right track, and inadvertently, I think, identified a real challenge: how to find out the relationship between the Scatchards and the Fosters. I've managed to uncover two marriages, unfortunately, however, both to a Thomas Foster. Now to try and  discover which is the Thomas I'm interested in.


David

Hi Winston

I think you've found where my Mary Foster went to. Certainly fits with the reast of what I have at the moment. Thanks for your help.

However, I also think you've also uncovered another mystery, and that's who is their next-door neighbour, Thomas Scatchard? On the 1851 census, there's a 20 year old rope maker Thomas Scatchard, a "cousin" , living with Andrew and Mary Foster in Leeds, but does cousin mean cousin as we would have it today? Then, in 1861, the next door neighbour of Mary Mills is Jane Scatchard, 71 years old and head of household but unmarried, and living with her is Thomas Scatchard, a nephew, age 31 and a rope maker. But does nephew mean Jane's sibling's son?

Then, in 1891, Mary Foster is living with her son-in-law George Anderson and her daughter Alice in Ripon. Lo and behold, there is a 20 year old Thomas Scatchard as a boarder, not a rope maker this time, but a railway porter. That, methinks, is all a bit too much of a coincidence???

David