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My Immaculate Conception!
« on: Thursday 02 March 06 19:53 GMT (UK) »


Well I've been looking for my Immaculate Conception Gt Grandmother ........ forever !! My cousins and I have been looking for her birth for years - with no luck - I'd appreciate any ideas and thoughts !! as I was writing this out for Carol to see if we had a connection - I thought I would post one more time !!  ::)

My Jane Price was 18 when she got married in  Dec.1879 and 21 when the 1881 census was done which seems to indicate that she was born in the first half of 1861.

Also, according to her marriage cert. and the various census she was born in 1861 - she was  at least two years younger than Robert (her husband Robert Every )who was born Dec. 1858.

However - in spite of further investigation on all of our parts - she is still remaining rather elusive.

IGI has  Jane Price christened  26th May 1861 - parents Robert and Jane - this seems right but we can find no record of her birth  IGI also gives other children of these parents as Margaret ch. 1856, Ellen ch.1858, Elizabeth Ann ch 1868, George born 1870.

Looking at the 1861 census the only Robert and Jane Price in Liverpool are found at 17 Cornwall St. aged 27 and 30 respectively with children Margaret 4 and Ellen 2 which matches those shown above. Jane is not shown perhaps because she was not yet born at the time census was taken.

1881 census  which shows Robert aged 48 a widower at 24 Bidder St. with three children Robert l6, Elizabeth Ann l3 and George ll - the second two match details above  but we have Robert who is not mentioned on IGI. Looking for the births of all these children  I found Margaret, Elizabeth Ann and George but could not find Ellen, Robert or of course Jane. Did this couple fail to register all their children?

1871 census  - thinking this might prove something one way or another -but found Robert and Jane 37 and 39 respectively at 5 Emily Place, Boundary St. with Margaret 14, Ellen 12, Robert 5 and George 9 months. No mention of Jane (to give me proof that she belongs in this family!) but also no mention of Elizabeth Ann who was  definately from this family and should have been there aged 3 yrs.

I'm sure this is the right family and no other appropriate Robert & Jane's turn up on any of the three census but it is difficult to prove when there is no mention of  the daughter Jane. There is a possibility that the two girls were farmed out to a relative but they do not come up anywhere. The trouble is that many people did not register their children even though it was the law to do so, by that time and as several of the children are missing this makes it possible that my Jane is from this family.

They were all christened at All Saints which is also where my Jane married Robert Every.

I have just received the marriage certificate of Robert Price and Jane Caterson - married 26th Sept 1853 (the "maybe" parents of Jane Price who married Robert Every ) but of course that doesn't tell me anything!!  ::)

I'd appreciate any help!

Thanking you in advance

Annie  :)
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Re: My Immaculate Conception!
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 02 March 06 20:28 GMT (UK) »
I think you need to find out what the source of that IGI record was, and then look at the original record (or microfilm) yourself.  If the IGI source was ancestral file (or any other record submitted by an LDS member) and not a transcription from parish records, then definitely don't believe it until you find the source documents yourself.  If the source was parish records, then you might need to request the microfilm or fiche via an LDS family records centre and have a good look through it and see if you can find the whole family yourself.  Once you know the parish, you can also see if you can find another way of viewing copies of the original records.  Be wary of transcriptions though - your goal should be to view and check source records for every key person in your family tree if you want it to be accurate.

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Re: My Immaculate Conception!
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 02 March 06 21:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie!

Could Jane have been her middle name?  You may have already dismissed:

Births, September Quarter 1860
PRICE, Mary Jane
Liverpool 8b 194

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Re: My Immaculate Conception!
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 March 06 21:59 GMT (UK) »


Hi Al!

When she was christened - she was Jane
When she was married - she was Jane
When she had the kids - she was Jane
When she got married 2nd time - she was Jane
When she died - she was Jane

hence the reason I dismissed the Mary Jane .......
but maybe I should send for it .. just in case!! :P  :P

What's the odds it would be her??

Annie  ::)
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Re: My Immaculate Conception!
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 March 06 22:16 GMT (UK) »

but maybe I should send for it .. just in case!! :P  :P

What's the odds it would be her??

Annie  ::)

From what you've said Annie, I'd say the odds were pretty slim but it may still be worth 62 quid and a 4 month wait ;)

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Re: My Immaculate Conception!
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 March 06 22:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie,

Wrong name but is it the Mary Jane that Al found?

1871 census Mary Price aged 11 in Mount Pleasant Girls Orphanage

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 March 06 22:27 GMT (UK) »


Just a thought...... were both parents  from Liverpool....maybe they were staying elsewhere when Jane was born

I was born and registered in Hampshire but baptised in Oxfordshire

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Re: My Immaculate Conception!
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 March 06 22:34 GMT (UK) »


Well boys!

I think I'm going to go "foxtrot" now - all she does is give me a "headachen" !!  :P :P
and thanks to you also Corinne -
I've gone around the houses for a LONG time with this little lady!!

I think I just have to resign myself to the fact - she didn't get registered !! and be satisfied with all the information I have on her already!!

Annie  :) :)
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 March 06 22:40 GMT (UK) »



Hi Myfi

Well there was talk of maybe a bit of Irish .........  :P :P

Annie  :)
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