tracing the rarity,s in Kirklisten

[andyewhite]

Hi I am in the middle of tracing the family of William Rarity born 1855 and married to Elizabeth Chattie in 1880 for my mum.

I would appreciate any information as I have found a few Rarity,s from Kirkliston and I am trying to link them together.


Ta Andy White

[apanderson]

Hi andy,

Welcome to Rootschat!

I couldn't find your William and his wife Elizabeth in the 1881 Cencus.

I found another William, living in Broxburn, who was born in Kirkliston who would be round about the right age for having a son born in 1855?

Census Place: Uphall, Linlithgow, Scotland

William RARITY, age 56, Birthplace: Kirkliston, Linlithgow, Scotland
Rel: Head,  Occ: Surfaceman Ry

Elizabeth RARITY, age 69, Birthplace: Abercorn, Linlithgow, Scotland
Rel:   Wife

George RARITY, age 7, Birthplace: Abercorn, Linlithgow, Scotland
Rel:   Grandson, Occ: Scholar

Then there's this family:

Dwelling: 12 Back Street
Census Place:   Burntisland, Fife, Scotland

George RARITY, age 25, Birthplace: Kirkliston, Linlithgow, Scotland
Rel: Head   Occ: Carter (Railway)

Agnes RARITY, age 21, Birthplace: Kirkliston, Linlithgow, Scotland
Rel: Wife    Occ: Carter (Railway) Wife

Agnes RARITY, age 11 m, Birthplace:Burntisland, Fife, Scotland
Rel:   Daur

Could this George be William's younger brother? (Son of the above William?)

And then there was a Mary . . . .

Dwelling: 74 High Street
Census Place: Burntisland, Fife, Scotland

James MORISON, Widower, age 88, Birthplace: Burntisland, Fife, Scotland
Rel:  Head    Occ: Retrd Baker

Grace W. MORISON, Unmarried, age 55, Birthplace: Burntisland, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Dau     Occ: Housekeeper

Mary RARITY, Unmarried, age 31 , Birthplace: Kirkliston, Linlithgow, Scotland
Rel: Serv    Occ: Gen Serv

Could Mary be the elder sister of George and William?

In the first family above, George Rarity age 7 is listed as being the grandson of William and Elizabeth, so, who's son is he?

It's a bit unlikely that he's the son of family number 2 (George and Agnes) as Agnes is listed as only being 21.

Is there any possibility he could be Mary's illegitimate child?

I also think it would be a bit unlikely for him to be the missing William and Elizabeth unless they had him in 1874, 6 years before they married.

Is it possible your dates are mixed up and family number one, above, is who you are looking for?

Your best option is probably to check for dates of birth and marriages on Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. It's a pay per view site but you can view or download certificates for Births 1855-1905, Marriages 1855-1930 and Deaths 1855-1955.

Good Luck!

Anne

[andyewhite]

Anne
     thanks for your reply I am just back from register house and so far I have traced my mums relatives (Rarity) back to kirkliston. The William Rarity you have in Broxburn was the father of William Rarity born 1855

He Married an Elizabeth Chattie in 1843 and died at 84 in Edinburgh in 1909 Elizabeth died in 1887. I have got all  the marriage certificates from my granddad William born 1909 right back to William who died in the same year. On his death certificate it confirms his wife was Elizabeth Chattie
and is mum and dad were George Rarity and _____ Ms Rutherford
(it does not mention his wifes Christian name)

I have also a pile of family's from around Kirkliston and I am now in the process of trying to tie up who was related to whom.

Thanks for again for the info Ann and if you want to contact me directly you can mail me to (*). I have also made up a lot of family groups sheets in word format to help me sort it out. I have just mailed a copy on CD of these plus all the birth/death /marriages and census documents to my mums second cousin who I found on the web
so if you want a copy give me a shout.

Andy

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[andyewhite]

Ann just to add

William and Elizabeth (chattie) so far had 3 sons Thomas David & William
The 1881 census shows George 7 living with them then in 1891 Agnes 45
George 17 living with William 67 as Elizabeth died in 1887.

William died in Leith Edinburgh in 1909 at 84 he had a Leith address but also a a Glasshead cottages Kirkliston. As Thomas registered the death me thinks the Leith address was his.

As for the George from fife that could be interesting when it comes to connecting the families up

[andyewhite]

Hi further to my first mail about looking for the rarity,s I have the death certificate of William Rarity aged 84 in 1909. Now I would have thought I would have found his birth around 1825 but no joy also his parents are recorded as George Rarity and ? Rarity (Ms Rutherford).

I cannot find the birth of William or the marriage of George.

Anybody have any tips on my next move

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[apanderson]

Hi Andy,

Glad to hear you've found something more solid to go on.

You might never find William's birth, his parents may never have bothered to register him and if that's the case, they might not have registered the birth of any other children either.

Probably the best thing to do next is try and trace him back through the various cencus returns on S.P. I don't think 1841 is available just yet but hopefully, that would be the one where you'd get info (if any) about possible siblings.

Good Luck!

Anne

[jean jeanie]

Hi

This looks like William and Family in 1851

Regards
Jean

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[andyewhite]

Yes Jean that is the same family. I have there son william birth certificate (1855) my great great grandad and it has a lot of info on the family on it.
I have just returned from Register house and I have now got enough info to link the family groups I made up together(when I get a spare minute minute)

Also can I ask where you got that extract from ?

[andyewhite]

What a wonderful thing the 1841 census. I checked it out and yep I found William b 1828 and Thomas b1831.

Everthing has now clicked together and all the family groups are now falling into place. It looks like Williams son Thomas got it wrong when he registered his death as he said his grandparents were George Rarity and ? Ms Rutherford.

Thomas was born in 1852 and his grandad David died in 1849 so 60 years later
he is a bit confused. This could be because when he was growing up his dads older brother George was is about 10-12 years older than his dad William.