DUFF, Daniel b. 1834/35

[Duff]

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this particular chat but not genealogy chatrooms.  I am looking for a needle in a haystack.

I am looking for any information on where Daniel DUFF was born and who his mother was.  I know from the marriage cert. of Daniel who his father was.  I also have his father on the 1851 Dublin directory.  The family just suddenly shows up from nowhere.  I even checked Scotland without any luck since DUFF could be a Scottish surname.

In 1851, Daniel's father, John, was listed as living at 221 Great Britain Street. 

In 1857 Daniel marries Jane BURROWES (BURROWS, BURROUGHS).  Her father is Thomas BURROWES, shoe maker.  Mother's name, unknown.  John DUFF was listed on certificate as cabinet maker.  He may have been making the cabinets that clocks went into so was listed as cabinet maker instead of clock maker.

Shortly after the 1871 census, Daniel, Jane, and their children moved to Salford, Lancashire, England.  I have all the information on Daniel and his family to 1901 when Daniel passed away in Lancashire.

According to death certs. and all census records from Lancashire, Daniel was born 1834/35 and Jane was born 1837/38.  The census records only mentioned Ireland as their birth place.  No other place or city was mentioned.

I do not know if the names of the children would hold any clue as to the family lineage backwards.  I know Scotland had a naming pattern but I do not know about Ireland.  Also, my DUFF and BURROWES were Anglican.   Daniel and Jane were married at St Catherine's Anglican Church on Thomas Street.  The names and dates of birth for their children were as follows.  All but the last four children were born in Dublin.  The last 4 were born in Manchester, Lancashire, England.

William Henry 1860
James 1861
John 1864
Alfred 1866  (my gr. grandfather)
Frederick Charles 1868
Thomas Arthur abt. 1870
Samuel 1872
Daniel, Jr. 1874
Edward John 1875
Sarah Jane 1880

Thanks for any help in trying to get this family back.  Finding Daniel's and Jane's mothers names would really help a lot and also finding where they were born.  Anything would be wonderful.  No one in my family even knew my gr. grandfather had siblings or who his parents were.  I did not find anything until the 1881 census came out on Familysearch.

Sue in Florida

[audrey]

DUFF, Charles      
   born   26 Jul 1868   at   634, South City No 1, City Of Dublin, Ire
            
            Civil Registration
   Fath.   Daniel DUFF
   Moth.   Jane BURROWS

DUFF, Arthur   
   
   born   23 Mar 1872   at   South City No 1, Dub, Ire
         I
            Civil Reg.
   Fath.   Daniel DUFF
   Moth.   Jane BURROWS


audrey

[audrey]

this is the only early marriage I can find for a John in Dublin

DUFF, John         
   to   Phabey CURRIN      
   on   3 May 1824   at   Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
            Civil Reg.

audrey

[audrey]

Sue
I have no records for Burrowes befor 1867 have you seen the Burrowes on any census ?

audrey

[Duff]

Hi Audrey,

Thank-you for your reply.  It seems that my DUFF and BURROWES (any spelling) just suddenly show up in Dublin.  I was told that all records such as census records were destroyed until the 1901 census came out.  I do not even know when John DUFF died or Thomas BURROWES.  I put Thomas' last name down as three spellings as I have Jane's name spelt all 3 ways, depending on the event.  I wonder where in Ireland they came from.  Burrowes sounds more English to me.  Maybe he moved to Ireland before Jane's birth for some reason.  I checked Scotland's People for the birth of Daniel in case there was an error and the place of birth was actually Scotland but christening took place in Irleland.  I could not find a Daniel on that GRO website with a father named John between 1833 and 1836.  I do not know if Daniel had any siblings or if he was first born.  I do not know anything about the family before 1851.

Charles and Arthur were always down in census records and marriage documents as Frederick Charles and Thomas Arthur.  Makes you wonder if they switched given and middle names, doesn't it.  Are you associated with this family at all or just had this information?

Sue in Florida

[audrey]

Sue
no connection just did the lookup

audrey

[Duff]

Thank-you and I appreciate it.  Now, if they would just crawl out from under that rock and tell me where in Ireland they were before they were in Dublin, I would be a happy camper.   

[audrey]

hear is a marriage that could be Danial's brother?

DUFF, John   Age:   21 years   Marriage
   to   Elizabeth Morrison RAMSAY   Age:   19 years
   on   21 Dec 1848   a    Civil Reg. Place not listed just Ireland
   Husband's Fath.   John DUFF
   Wife's Fath.   Robert RAMSAY

reference to Henry

BREADY, James   Age:   27 years   
   to   Margaret DUFF   Age:   19 years
   on   4 Jan 1848      Civil Registration for Ireland
      Husband previously married
   Husband's Fath.   William BREADY
   Wife's Fath.   Henry DUFF

audrey

[Duff]

I will have to check this out.  It is possible that it could be related.  The timeline would be right.  I may have to get the marriage document to see what he occupation of the father was.  If it was cabinet maker, then that would make it extremely possible.

Sue