NSW and/or VIC BDM Lookups pls PARKER/DENNER family

[allycat]

Dear Rootschatters, Hi.  Can anyone help fill in some gaps for me?

John Henry PARKER born abt 1850 ... location unknown in Australia.  Died unknown. #
Married Reg.ref. Grenfell NSW 2473/1877 on 8/10/1877 to Eliza B. DINNER aka DENNER born 3/12/1856 Back Ck, Bourke, Taradale VIC. Have Birth cert.#

I have found 8 children so far born to this couple, but my grandmother, who is 93 years old, now tells me she had more uncles and aunts than that!  I have no death dates for any of their children either as with a surname like PARKER, it's just like all the others that are hard to find, SMITH, BROWN, WHITE, BLACK etc.  (And no spouse's names known either).

1.Susan Jane PARKER born 1878 Grenfell NSW 10368/1878
2.Esther PARKER born 1878 Grenfell NSW 11133/1879
3.Caroline PARKER born 3/8/1833 Grenfell NSW 18439/1883 *
4.Ellen E. PARKER born 1887 Grenfell NSW 22194/1887
5.John Henry PARKER (Junior) born 1890 Grenfell NSW 15133/1890 %
6.Phebe A. PARKER born 1892 Grenfell NSW 15481/1892
7.Violet M. PARKER born 1895 Grenfell NSW 3737/1895
8.William PARKER ... born ? ~

Notes:
# It is not known to me when and where John Henry PARKER snr and Eliza B. PARKER nee DENNER/DINNER died.
* Great Grandmother.
% JH PARKER Jnr enlisted at Dubbo.  Have no other info...
~ I've been told he was a soldier in the Boer War (but he wouldn't have been born then!) so I suppose it was WWI, but that he was killed in action.  Have no factual information on this though.  Birth - couldn't find William Parker on NSW bdm births 1880-1900.

Q.Is anyone researching this family?

Thanks everyone, Allycat, QLD Australia.

[trish251]

Hi Alleycat

The WWI record for your John Henry jnr is online at the archives
www.naa.gov.au - and has been digitised - so if you didn't request same, someone else is definitely researching this family. Go to record search & look for John Henry Parker Grenfell. He was KIA on 6th or 7th of August 1916

Trish

[sparrett]

Hi Trish & Alley,
This is probably a bit of an aside, but I would be grateful for clarification on the subject of NAA files.
Is it true as you say, Alley, that digital copies on the site are only there by request?
I have never been able to quite understand the explanation on the site for digitization and I always thought that some files were digitized as part of an ongoing process - not dependent on request -  and others were 'moved to top of digitization  queue' because of request.
If what you say [above] is true - about others sharing one's interest in forebears,  it becomes a bit of a quest in itself doesn't it!!  Thanks for any info.
Sue   

[trish251]

Hi Sue

As far as I have determined digitisation is done by request. The ongoing process that was initially discussed on site as being done as a matter of course was the examination of WWI records . If you check these records alphabetically, those at the front end have all been examined while others have not.  e.g. If you look at the Smith records for WWI, you will find only those with digital records have been examined.
If I look at the name Dun (being a family name & I have requested some digitisation) - they have all been examined but only a few digitised. The randomness of the digitisation, indicates to me that it is done on request, while there has been a system used to examine them all.

There is, however this note against the WWI records

The National Archives is undertaking a project to preserve and make the collection of World War I service records more accessible. Already the project has repackaged and reboxed all of the records to ensure their longer term preservation. Also, all records are being listed on our RecordSearch database.

In the remaining phase of the project we will make a digital copy of each record available through RecordSearch. Digital copies have already been loaded for many records and the remainder will be added progressively as the project continues.   which seems to invalidate what I have said, but I am unsure if this "remaining phase" has started yet.

I think Prue works there - she may have the definitive answer.

Trish

[sparrett]

That's interesting Trish.
I think we will have to ask Prue to answer  for us if she can.  NAA such a valuable site.  We should all be in a position to give clear information to 'Chatters' from overseas

  As you say, it is  not really quite clear,but I am not certain about your alphabetical theory.
I had a bit of a fright the other day when I found a deceased uncle's records of Navy service fully digitized.  It is certain that no family member had requsted it.  Not a common name either, and towards the end of the alphabet - then WHO ASKED?  [I really want to know this!!]
Sue

[trish251]

Hi Sue

My alphabet theory relates to examination NOT digitisation. It could be a distant family member who requested the Navy record - I have asked for a couple that could well confuse close family. Naval records are very small, you could order paper copies at no charge (not sure if this is still the case) so perhaps they are treated differently. If you really need to know if there is a process - a phone call would probably resolve it. I simply order those I want (it takes forever if they have not been examined as is the case with most of WWII) - but always love it when someone has asked before me   

Trish

[trish251]

Hi AC - back to the original request

John Henry Jnr listed his father as next of kin in the war records. After his death correspondence with his father was addressed to Warraderry St Grenfell, so the family was still in NSW at that stage.

There is a William Parker - parents John and Elizabeth - Birth registered at Adelong 1896 - could she have been visiting family?

Do you know the name of John Snr parents. There is a John died at Grenfell 1930, and a John Henry    in 1940. Parents of John Henry Thomas and Mary Ann.  A transcript of a death certificate for John Henry Snr or Eliza should list all their children - would be very useful. I saw an Elizabeth, but not Eliza, with the parent names of Eliza in the NSW Deaths.

Trish

[Robert Coble]

Hi Allycat,
% JH PARKER Jnr enlisted at Dubbo.  Have no other info...
~ I've been told he was a soldier in the Boer War (but he wouldn't have been born then!) so I suppose it was WWI, but that he was killed in action.  Have no factual information on this though.

Title
PARKER John Henry :
Service Number - 1823 :
Place of Birth - Grenfell NSW :
Place of Enlistment - Dubbo NSW : [/b]
Next of Kin - (Father) PARKER John[/b]
Series number
B2455 Control symbol
PARKER JOHN HENRY
Contents date range
1914 - 1920
 
Access status
Open Location
Canberra Barcode
8007208   View digital copy [/b]

Now this is this site for the records Allycat.[/b]

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8007208&I=1&SE=0

Could this be Eliza Dinner Death and is this her parants Allycat.

1845/1903  PARKER  ELIZA -  SAMUEL + CAROLINE = GRENFELL [/b]

[allycat]

Dear Trish {and hello there Sue}, Duly noted JH Parker snr as NOK in war records.  And thanks for their address in NSW.

My William PARKER's parents actually were John Henry PARKER (Snr.) and Eliza B. nee DENNER, so you've found their 8th known child.  Wow.  And in those days, family helped deliver the babes so she could most likely have been visiting.

I don't know who John Henry PARKER (Senior)'s parents were.  But I did see a death in 1940 on the NSW bdm site, with parents Thomas and Mary Ann so I had  already stored that in my PAF (Personal Ancestral File) as possible parents.  I shall most likely order transcript.

Eliza B PARKER nee DENNER ... her parents' names were: James DENNER born 1818 Newton Abbot, Devon and Mary Ann PINE born 1820 South Hill, Cornwall.   They emigrated to Australia 1846 aboard ship "Canton".  I found this couple on the First Families 2001 Centenary of Federation Project thingy that is now defunct.  Lots of good information, but all the email addresses for the contacts are invalid.  Aaargh.  Maybe we should resurrect the programme?  Or start our own board on rootschat! 

Q.Can you find where Eliza (or Elizabeth) died?  Please note that I've found that my Eliza had an older sister also called Elizabeth.  Elizabeth was born 9/12/1850 Adelaide South Australia died 1940 Dubbo, married William MCCARRON.  And my Eliza was born 1856 on the back creek of Bourke VIC. I have her birth certificate.  She was my great great grandmother.

Thank you very much for all your help so far, Ally.