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Roberts at Talsarnau
« on: Sunday 02 July 06 12:51 BST (UK) »
Trying to track down a Robert Robert(s) Roberts at Talsarnau in 1871.

Sorry this is all I have.
Roberts, Caernarfon. Thomas, Caernarfon. Kite, Kent.

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Re: Roberts at Talsarnau
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 02 July 06 13:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Quarryman

There are 431 Robert ROBERT(S) in Merionethshire in 1871 - none apparently at Talsarnau.

How do you know this fellow existed?  You must have a rough idea of his age/ whether he is likely to be working and what occupation/ either his wife and children or his parents?

Anything else you can provide would help!

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Roberts at Talsarnau
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 02 July 06 13:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Quarryman,

Couldn't find Talsarnau in GENUKI, but according to
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/unit_page.jsp?u_id=10306814
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It was part of Festiniog RegD/PLU; Ardudwy Hundred; Deudraeth; and Deudraeth RD.

Have you tried looking in Ffestiniog ?

Bob
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Re: Roberts at Talsarnau
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 02 July 06 13:28 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Berlin-Bob on Sunday 02 July 06 13:22 BST (UK)

Have you tried looking in Ffestiniog ?



Already tried - no ROBERT(S) in Festiniog, Bob - or nearby  :D

A  ;)
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Roberts at Talsarnau
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 02 July 06 19:42 BST (UK) »
Talsarnau is in the Parish of Llanfihangel y Traethau (Ffestiniog ED districts nos 7 and 8 in the 1871 census.)

The census contains three Robert Roberts in Talsarnau

1> Robert Roberts, Ty Calch, a quarryman born about 1805 in Beddgelert. Husband of Ellin

2> Robert Roberts of Ty'n y Bryn, born in Ffestinog circa 1839. Husband of Jane

3> The son of #2 A scholar born about 1865 in Llanfihangel y traethau.

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Re: Roberts at Talsarnau
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 July 06 19:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Dolgellau

I am better educated than wot I was!!

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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Roberts at Talsarnau
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 02 July 06 22:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks guys for gettingon my case.

Sorry but "Robert R. Roberts  of Talsarnau" was the only information I have - gleaned from a fragment of my grandfather's diary.

I guess it must be either #1 or#2.

I'll dig deeper; in the meantime, once again, many, many thanks
Roberts, Caernarfon. Thomas, Caernarfon. Kite, Kent.

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Re: Roberts at Talsarnau
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 July 06 07:38 BST (UK) »
I am amazed!  :o

Freebmd (not complete) has 11 Robert Roberts ROBERTS, most born between 1842 - 47 and one in 1875, most in Llanrwst or Dolgelly, one in Liverpool.

Distinctly unimaginative naming pattern!

What date is the diary?  Does it refer to an adult?  In what context - historical directories might help.

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Roberts at Talsarnau
« Reply #8 on: Monday 03 July 06 11:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Arranroots,

The date of the diary is 1871, and as far as I can make out R. R. Roberts was the conductor/leader of the Talsarnau choir.

My grandfather (the diary writer) was studying at the Royal Academy in London (he became a noted Welsh Victorian composer of both sacred and secular music) and the choir had/was performed/performing one of his numbers.

As to the name pattern, I agree with you - my grandfather was called Robert Roberts Roberts on his birth certificate, his sister married a William Williams Williams, and another figure from his diary was called Evan Evans.

Nobody I have spoken to to can give an explanation!

Thanks for all your help.

Regards

Quarryman
Roberts, Caernarfon. Thomas, Caernarfon. Kite, Kent.
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