Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields

[Westoe]

And to answer my own question, no.

At that date Mrs. John Kidd was living at 216 Borday Streeet, Flushing, New York.

Cheers,
Westoe

[Cherielynn]

The Palm Beach Post April 30 1920 reported from Lake Worth that the Palm Beach County Art Club will inspect the latest painting of R. Sherman Kidd "The Spanish Armada" among others.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=hMIiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LLYFAAAAIBAJ&dq=sherman-kidd&pg=991%2C6163402

The Museum of Wisconsin In Art had R Sherman listed as a Wisconsin artist this led me to look for the family in Milwaukee. City Directory 1894 has John and Harry both listed at the Republican House Hotel.

Then I got lost and found the 1862 lawsuit in Canada brought by ship owners John Snowden and Henry Havelock Lee.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Gio1AAAAIAAJ&dq=%22henry%20havelock%20lee%22&pg=PA91#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20havelock%20lee%22&f=false

Cherie

[Westoe]

Hello Cherie Lynn,

If you look back through this thread, you'll see that I gave you that lawsuit over two years ago. It is noticeworthy for the fact that one of the plaintiffs is named as Henry Havelock Lee - definitely our Henry but the only official time I have seen him named so.

I have asked you since, more than once, if you have evidence for Havelock being his middle name. You haven't replied.

I've now seen his death certificate. Havelock isn't on it. Whence cometh this supposed middle name Havelock and what proof is there for it?

His older brother has Havelock for a middle name, but please cite me some proof that Henry had it for a middle name as well.

This is supposed to be an exchange of information, please remember.

Cheers,
Westoe

[Cherielynn]

I have found many "new" things in the last couple of years that have excited me to no end. But when I have shared them, I have had one cousin or another to remind me that either they sent the info to me years before or I had sent it to them years before. So one fun thing about loosing memory - all genealogy finds are new. I have never seen a record with Henry Lee's middle name other than the court case. Maybe Havelock wasn't his middle name, maybe he just said that thinking the court would be impressed with Havelock.

I am very sorry if I have not shared enough and if my memory fails me. Loosing memory and becoming seriously ill is to say the least traumatic. I may not remember every thing you posted.

[Westoe]

22 September, 1912, Harriet Alice Kidd and daughter Millicent Kidd arrived in New York on ship PHILADELPHIA enroute from Southampton to New Zealand.

Source: Ellis Island

[Cherielynn]

15 May 1880 James Hutton Kidd and Harriet Alice Lee Kidd and Family arrive in New Zealand

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18800515.2.3.1&srpos=1&e=--1877---1945--10--1----2millicent+kidd--

New Zealand Papers Past LYTTELTON Star , Issue 3770, 15 May 1880, Page 2

maybe you told me this one before, I can't remember.

James Hutton Kidd Obit

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19130821.2.49&srpos=13&e=-07-1913--09-1913--10--11----2kidd--

New Zealand Papers Past PERSONAL MATTERS Evening Post, Volume LXXXVI, Issue 45, 21 August 1913, Page 7

James Hutton Kidd Inquest

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19130822.2.87&srpos=11&e=-07-1913--09-1913--10--11----2kidd--

New Zealand Papers Past THREE INQUESTS Evening Post, Volume LXXXVI, Issue 46, 22 August 1913, Page 8

[Westoe]

As far as I know from what I have here with me,

Harriet Alice Lee Kidd (1849-1948) and
James Hutton Kidd (1843-1913) had seven children:

- Henry Lee Kidd (1873-1958)
  B. Sc. New Zealand 1892

- Millicent Kidd (1876-post 1945)

- James Hutton Kidd (1877-1945)
  m. 1916 Ethel Laura Gilbert

- Roland or Rowland Kidd (1880-pre 1945)

- Wilfred Winton Kidd (1883-1944)
   m. 1916 Isabella Annie Merlet d. 1938

- Charles Havelock Kidd (1892-post 1945)

- Hubert Grattan Kidd (1895-post 1945)

Millicent and Hubert both went to California (together?).

[Cherielynn]

Using your post

Harriet Alice Lee Kidd (1849-1948) and
James Hutton Kidd (1843-1913) had seven children:

I can’t find the 1945 obit now but had all siblings included as d after 1945, exceptions see below.

- Henry Lee Kidd (1873-1958)
  B. Sc. New Zealand 1892
of Greytown in 1945 I didn’t have a DOD
One – had - BS from NEW ZEALAND UNIVERSITY. Star , Issue 7345, 19 August 1892, Page 3
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TS18920819.2.30&srpos=1&e=--1877---1945--10--1----2henry+lee+kidd--


- Millicent Kidd (1876-post 1945)
Has a record in California Passengers and Crew List 1893 – 1957, Ancestry.com
Arrived 4 Aug 1923 from Honolulu, Hawaii, in Los Angeles on the City of Los Angeles age 45 b about 1878 in Jarrow on Thime, England (Transcription error) last residence Territory of Hawaii.
I have died 1961 New Zealand can’t remember why or if correct.


- James Hutton Kidd (1877-1945)
  m. 1916 Ethel Laura Gilbert
Famous for his horticulture accomplishments – his created – Gala Apple is tasty.
James died 24 OCT 1945 and wife called Lola – Lola died 1970 in Eastbourne, New Zealand left everything to the foundation in NZ.


- Roland or Rowland Kidd (1880-pre 1945)
All I have is a R A my note says maybe 7th child of


- Wilfred Winton Kidd (1883-1944)
m. 1916 Isabella Annie Merlet d. 1938
marriage
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WCHG19160201.2.31.3&srpos=3&e=--1877---1945--10--1----2winton+kidd--
New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981 - 1935 Wairarapa, in Wellington; Manawatu-Wanganui; Hawke's Bay
died Carterton, Wellington, New Zealand
Per NZ record index – can find that again
Wife obit
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19380902.2.3&srpos=10&e=--1919---1940--10--1----0harry+kidd--


- Charles Havelock Kidd (1892-post 1945)
of England from the 1945 obit – I didn’t – or don’t remember finding a middle name – I think.


- Hubert Grattan Kidd (1895-post 1945)

Hubert G has an arrival in 16 May 1936 in Los Angeles, Ca on the Ship Mariposa – from Auckland. A Bank Clerk He stated he was born in Christchurch, New Zealand age 40 b about 1896. He papers were issued in Washington, D.C. in 11/29/35. Last permanent Address LA, Ca – Nearest relative is a friend – Mrs Frank William LA.
California Passengers and Crew List 1893 – 1957, Ancestry.com

A Hubert G has a record in the California Death Index 1940 – 1997, Ancestry.com – Birth 7 Sep 1895 place (Rest of World) D 22 Aug 1960 in Alameda mother’s maiden name Lee.

I didn’t find what the G is for

Don’t know if Millicent and Hubert went together

[Westoe]

...

- Henry Lee Kidd (1873-1958)
  B. Sc. New Zealand 1892
of Greytown in 1945 I didn’t have a DOD
Died 26 July, 1958, cremated 28 July 1958

- Roland or Rowland Kidd (1880-pre 1945)
All I have is a R A my note says maybe 7th child of
Birth registered as child of JHK and HAK.

- Charles Havelock Kidd (1892-post 1945)
of England from the 1945 obit – I didn’t – or don’t remember finding a middle name – I think.
Birth registered with that middle name.

- Hubert Grattan Kidd (1895-post 1945)

A Hubert G has a record in the California Death Index 1940 – 1997, Ancestry.com – Birth 7 Sep 1895 place (Rest of World) D 22 Aug 1960 in Alameda mother’s maiden name Lee.

I didn’t find what the G is for
Birth registered with that middle name.