death certificates

[Sylviaann]

I didn't realise you didn't have the birth

Is that him registered March quarter 1855 St George Southwark 1d 150

There don't seem to be any others on FreeBMD between 1850 and 1860.

Much better to get his birth cert.

Sylviaann

[abraham]

 Yes I'm sure thats his birth when I tried to look for it before I couldn't find it
I suppose Bethnal Green is quite close to Camberwell so he could have ended up there
Thanks for all your help I hav'nt used this site much as I'm a bit scared of it ! and still learning
Chris

[Arranroots]

Oh Chris, you're doing fine!

Please don't be scared of us, we are a bunch of pussy-cats 

 

[Biker]

Hi Chris

We're a friendly bunch here, so keep going ...

Well, what I think is first things first, so if you cannot/will not wait for the 1911 census then we can perhaps make the most informed judgement between us 

Firstly, you say you know quite a bit about this chap.  Can you tell us a bit about him as I think it is best to ensure that he is traced through the censuses as much as we can.  Do you have a positive sighting in the census?  If so what is it?  Marriage and children with birthplaces and dates of children will help.

I've had a look at the possibilities on the censues but cannot settle on who he is until you give us some clues (occupation? marriage? children?).

Bethnal Green and Camberwell are not that close together, one is north of the Thames and the other South.

As others have said, think we need to establish some facts before proceeding.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Biker
 

[hlbradd]

Hi Chris

I take it these are the two death certificates you have already ordered?

1907 Camberwell  (age 48)

1908 Lambeth  (age 49)

How do you know these are the wrong certificates? (Obviously one must be ) maybe the other is right but not the information you were expecting?

The information is only as good as the person giving it - and they might not know that much about the deceased.   He may have had several occupations - (mine did!) and the informant only knew his last occupation.  Have you managed to find these other Henry Argents on the census for the same years as your Henry?

Whilst it's not impossible he died in Bethnal Green it wouldn't be the most likely - unless you've managed to trace other members of his family moving there?

What information does it give about him on his marriage certificate?  If we can track him and his family (and the 'other' Henry Argents) through the census it might provide a clue or two.

Oh, and most importantly

WELCOME to rootschat

Helen

[hlbradd]

Hi Chris

I don't know whether this will help but in 1901 I have found the following Henry Argents (there are more but ages are  too far out) and this assumes he wasn't mistranscribed 

Living in Bethnal Green:  Henry Argent aged 43, a Scaffolder born Essex, his wife Sarah aged 45.   Might this be the one died aged 81?

Living in Camberwell:  Henry Argent aged 55, his wife Sophie born India and huge extended family - age is out and he works for Wesleyan Assurance company

Living in Camberwell, Peckham is Henry aged 42, a widower - occupation Plumber.  Two sons, one is Henry aged 15, one looks like Prince age 10 - wonder whether it should be Francis and the enumerator couldn't read the name when he wrote the sheets up   Henry's place of birth is given as Old Kent Road though ?  However the rest of the details look promising, Henry's wife must have only died within the last 10 years.

What occupation do you have from his marriage certificate?
What causes of death do you have from the 'wrong' death certs?

Helen

[abraham]

Hi Wow I didn't expect this much response to my query ! Henry had a dad and a son called Henry .on the 1901 census he is a widow and you're right about the spelling it should have been Francis
His jobs varied from "white smith" Plumber journeyman (what ever that is) and a wire smith Henrys son Alfred (my grandad) was born in Rolls rd Bermondsey a lot of the family lived in Camberwell my mum lived in Peckham rye and Lambeth (how I wish I'd asked her more )I think some lived in Bethnal Green I haven't actually sent for Henrys death certs yet I was referring to other mistakes I've made and don't want to repeat !
I think the Bethnal Green one is my best bet or bang goes another £7.00
Incidentally I have never managed to find my grandad (Alfred William )on the 1901 census .he married in 1904    Chris

[Sylviaann]

Do you have Henry in the 1881 census?
From www.familysearch.org

Henry argent 26 born Southwark age 26  Gas fitter
Mary A 26 born Peckham
Mary A E age 2 born Bermondsey
Henry E age 4months b Camberwell

living at 36 Sumner Road, Camberwell

I would think the wire smith should read whitesmith perhaps.  You can find out about whitesmiths here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitesmith

Sylviaann

[abraham]

Hi Sylviaann
In the 1881 he is a gas fitter
His marriage certificate says White Smith I misread it
should have had my glasses on !
interesting site Henrys brother was a Gun smith
Thanks
Chris