Graham's of Cumberland

[Razzy]

Hi Thanks Sillgen/Andrea,


So who is George Graham of Brigham who married Margaret 'Graham' of Cross Canonby on Feb 9th, 1800 in Brigham?
Maybe this is not the couple I need to find. It seems that Georges' wife would be Margaret because of the following census' below.
FHL parish records #1472080 (cross canonby) has them married.
There was no mention of either one being widowed on the parish record.
The marriage certificate says they were married in the Register office John (R---iey[looks like three 'u's]) Taylor.
The witnesses to the marriage on Thomas and Eleanor nee Rogan
are James Thompson and Mary Ann Brisco.
This is the last person I am absolutely sure of. I am not an expert. My ancestor was his son. On the death certificate my ancestor his parents were Thomas Graham and Eleanor Rogan.
By the way, Eleanors' father was  Daniel a blacksmith
The nearest George Graham of Brigham (FHL #90573) I can find is christened Dec 13th, 1763 son of James Graham of Mosser.
Silly me, I had already sent back the Cross Canonby FHL film before I knew this, so I do not know if Margaret would have a maiden name or if it is 'Graham'; no mention who she is the daughter of neither in the marriage.
I cannot find a Margaret Graham being christened in Cross Canonby records.
There is an abnormal pause before George and Margaret start having children.
I then find a George Graham of Eaglesfield having children with 'Margaret'.
I am able to find children christened in 1815 (William) and 1819 (Eleanor).
Thomas Graham is defintely born in Eaglesfield to a George Graham.
Depending on the following Thomas is either born in 1813,; 1822; 1827.
I cannot find an Eaglesfield 1841 census on Ancestry Library edition mentioning a George; George and Margaret; or a Thomas.
On Thomas Grahams marriage certificate (district of Cockermouth) in 1857 he is a bachelor age 30.
His father George is a husbandman.
There is no mention of him being christened in Eaglesfield at any date.
Ok, so his mother had him christened elsewhere, maybe where her mother is. So where is this place?
So without knowing for sure who his mother is (maybe Margaret) I am unable to find this Thomas' christening.
In the Brigham Allerdale above Derwent 1841 census, I have a George Graham age 65 and a Thomas age 25 both as Teachers. It seems a bit for George to go from husbandman to teacher.
In the 1851 census page 197 I have Thomas (born in Eaglesfield) as a farm servant in Crossthwaite and Borrowdale very close to where he was married (was working in Crosby and his future wife was working in Bothel).
There the enumerator or whomever he is asking says Thomas is 27 thereby pegging his birth @1822-24.
after two years of marriage in 1861 on the census and every ten years after that to 1881 (I cannot find either Thomas or his wife Eleanor in 1891) his birth year is 1813.
Always he is born in Eaglesfield, always born in 1813- but I am unable to find him baptised anywhere.
Eleanor in every census changes her place of birth between Ireland, Whitehaven, and Hayton.
I have searched parish records in Aspatria, Dean, Dearham, Whitehaven (Saint James and Holy Trinity), Bromfield, Brigham, Cockermouth All Saints, Cross Canonby, Maryport, Gilcrux, Hayton, Crosby upon Eden, and Plumbland.
I have been able to find a George Graham of Stanwix being married to a Margaret Kirk of St. Marys (Carlisle) in Gretna Green in November 1813.
I have not been able to find a Thomas son of George Graham of Eaglesfield or Brigham being christened anywhere.
I have found possibly this George and Margaret (nee Kirk) age 45 and 40 respectively in Carlisle in living with John age 45 and James age 85.
Other than that it is hard to come by a George Graham, husbandman in my searches.


1861: Allerby, Cumberland
Thomas Graham 48 Head M Coalminer born Eaglesfield, Cumberland
Eleanor Graham 30 Wife M born Hayton, Cumberland
Margaret Graham 3 (no rel given) born Allerby
Thomas Graham 1 (no rel given) born Allerby
William Graham 22 Boarder Woolen Spinner born Eaglesfield, Cumberland

1871 census is Allerby and Oughterside page six in the village of Allerby.

house #23
Thomas Graham 58
Eleanor 39
Margaret 13
Thomas 11
Annie 7
Mary Jane 4
infant (I'm guessing Charles)1 week

1881 Allerby, Oughterside & Allerby, Cumberland

Thomas GRAHAM 69 Cumberland, Farm Labourer
Elenor GRAHAM 49 Ireland Farm Labourer
Mary Jane GRAHAM 14 Allerby, Cumberland, Scholar
Charles GRAHAM 10 Allerby, Cumberland, Scholar
George GRAHAM 5 Allerby, Cumberland, Scholar

So, in confirming the correct birthdate of Thomas is; where he was christened; in find out who his father George is; confirming his mothers identity, I can then start to move.
As it is, I have a brick wall.

So, if Papamoa, or anyone can help it sure would help me,
Thanks,Razzy

[Geoff-E]

Eaglesfield - part of Brigham parish http://genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Where/

Map http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=309583&Y=527962&A=Y&Z=126

[Razzy]

Hi Geoff,
Thanks,
I have seen the online parish records of Aspatria before. I even ordered the FHL microfilm. My ancestor was supposed to be born in Maryport but instead it seems he was born in Allerby or Aspatria.
However The George I am looking for is not in Aspatria.
I have the parish record for Eaglesfield but my Thomas is not christened there. However there is a George and Margaret Graham there- George is a husbandman.
So I do not know where Thomas was christened or where George was from or where he was married.

Razzy

[islaymcc]

Hi papamoa
I live in tauranga.would be intrested in your knowlege on the grahams.
I am a graham, Have been trying to trace them.

[proud to be welsh]

Hi Papamoa
I have recently started researching the Graham family from the Dalston + Longtown areas of Cumberland.

One of my Bruton relatives married into the William Coulthard Graham family in the 1920's. Their son ...................... married a woman from New Zealand in 1968.


Family names include
Andrew - born Dalston 1875. Lived in Low Brewery, Dalston in 1911.

Sibs include Thomas, Clementina, Elizabeth, William and Christopher
and their father
Thomas - born Dalston abt 1838.

Moderator Comment:  Name of person who may be still living removed in accordance with rootschat policy.

[john1234.]

hi, ive come across a painting through somebody i know, its the original painting of lady catherine graham nee stewart dating back to around late 1700 to early 1800. im looking for any1 who would be interested to get back intouch, thanks.

[john1234.]

hi, ive come across a painting through somebody i know, its the original painting of lady catherine graham nee stewart dating back to around late 1700 to early 1800. im looking for any1 who would be interested to get back intouch, thanks.

[DowbigginUK]

I am trying to find (on behalf of a friend) the family of William Graham, shoemaker, and his wife Ann Harkness.  Their daughter Margaret Ann was probably born in Hayton around 1855 or so, and she is my friend's direct ancestor.

Having trouble finding this family in the Census.

Thanks,
Diane Main
San Jose, California

[dolpher]

I am looking for information about a Mary Ann (or Miriam) Graham who died in London in 1849, but was born in Netherby. Her first child was born in 1824 or 1825, which suggests that her date of birth would have been between 1800 and 1810.

I am emboldened to ask the question having seen the depth of knowledge displayed in this discussion.My enquiry relates to an article I am writing for private circulation. Any information would be very much appreciated.