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Suggestions please cannot find immigration records COMPLETED THANK YOU
« on: Tuesday 24 April 07 15:41 BST (UK) »
Has anyone any suggestions as to why I cannot seem to find my family on any passenger lists to the US. I have tried exact searches and soundex but still cannot find them. The family

                Thomas Booth born abt 1817 England
                Ann Booth        born abt 1818 England
                Robert
                Mary
                Phoebe

were found on the 1851 Census for England they then appeared on the 1860 US Census, Union, Kentucky with the additon of Ann b 1851 England and Sarah b 1860 Kentucky.

Are some passenger lists missing?

Thanks Evie
Booth, Hornsby, Northumberland & Durham
Jackson, Northumberland & Durham
Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham
Geldard, N Yorks
Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks
Swallow, Boid, W Yorks
Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock

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Re: Suggestions please cannot find immigration records
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 17:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Evie

I guess not every single passenger list is available on line, though the Ancestry database for example, is ever increasing. And with any country's Regional archives etc, I would imagine there would be some Manifests at least which are unreadable, or missing at least some pages of....

Per the UK Census: Thomas was a Coal Miner, and the children's ages in 1851 were : Robert 9 (YOB abt 1842) , Mary 7 (YOB abt 1844) , Phoebe 5 (YOB abt 1846) .   Plus there was dau Grace 11 (YOB abt 1840)  - did she not go the US with the family?

three things do come to mind :

one, Thomas BOOTH very possibly went to the New Land ahead of his wife and children by at least some months or weeks, probably (but by no means certainley)  no more than a year at the most -  this was very very common and  probably so that Father could arrange or establish work and housing before the family arrived. Depending on the age of his son Robert, if he  was older,  say over 15 or so,  it is possible Robert could have accompanied his father in this manner.

two: They may not be listed by their full forenames on the manifest.  Thomas BOOTH could be listed as Tho, or Thos BOOTH.  Wife Ann could  be just  Mrs Booth  and the children simply as child or infant.  They could all or some just  be listed simply by their fore-initials and a surname.

three:  in order to further narrow down the timeframe, can you find any of the grown children as (married?) adults in the later US Census, the ones which hsave provsion to state the year of immigration for people born outside of the US?

Having said all that, however, there is this passenger list - sans Thomas -   which looks distinctly possible  to me :  Right set of names in the right order,  right time frame and entry into the southern states:

1857: "Ironsides" , departed Liverpool, arrived New Orleans, Louisiana on  17 Nov 1857
Ann BOOTH (f) 38 - YOB 1819
Robt BOOTH (m) 16, YOB 1841
Mary BOOTH (f) 11, YOB - 1846
Foley? BOOTH (m) 7 - YOB - 1850
Ann BOOTH (f) 4 - 1853


The ages of children Mary and Ann are a bit out , but not wildly so - and is the male "Foley" really the list maker trying to work out female "Pho(e)be, also with the age a bit out? Perhaps he was copying from an initial list onto the arrival manifest.

Ages were often out on Ship manifests for various reasons: rounding off, illiteracy, mistakes, or flouting of immigration rules which were in place at the time etc.  And, it may be due to how accurate the 1851 census ages  were , or when they had birthdays,  and perhaps if they had a birthday due or just passed, or had sometime between embarking and disembarking.....for example

If this is  the wife and children - I bet it is -  we could  be looking for Thomas arriving sometime before them from around late 1856 to Nov 1857 or so - and not necessarily, but probably  departing Liverpool and  possibly entering  via New Orleans or PA? He could tho, have came into NY or MA and made his way down therefore causing the wife coming into a port closer to their new home.

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AMBLY
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Re: Suggestions please cannot find immigration records
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 24 April 07 17:45 BST (UK) »
Wow thanks Ambly
I have been searching for ages. I agree with you this must be the correct family because the timing will also be about right as Grace the daughter you mentioned didn't actually go with them. She married in 1857, not sure what month but I can check that out. They probably saw her married and then went. I will now try and find Thomas, thanks ever so much. I am in contact with one of Mary's relations so she may have her marriage certificate regarding the year of immigration as she too couldn't find them either. Can I ask one more question please if they returned to the UK would I be able to track them down as well as at the moment I cannot find them on the 1870 US census.

Cheers Evie
Booth, Hornsby, Northumberland & Durham
Jackson, Northumberland & Durham
Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham
Geldard, N Yorks
Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks
Swallow, Boid, W Yorks
Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock

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Re: Suggestions please cannot find immigration records
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 April 07 02:03 BST (UK) »
Could this be Ann in the 1870 census?

1870   Illinois  Jackson   Murphysboro

Booth, Ann, 50, female, white, widow, b. Eng, parents of
                        foreign birth, can't read or write
           Ann, 20, female, white, b. Eng, pofb, can't read or write
           Sarah, 11, female, white, b. Eng, pofb, attended school
                        within the year, can't write


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Re: Suggestions please cannot find immigration records
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 April 07 02:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Evie and Genealiza

That 1870 would fit very well........ ;D

I been googling, so I've come across Helen's message re the immigration too
(it went unanswered, so perhaps you want to do the honours Evie   ;D  ;D  -  just
to save effort in case someone does come in & decide to have a look for
them):
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,228557.msg1211737.html#msg1211737

Helen says:  the daughter Mary  - married to PORRITT 1864, is on the US 1900 Census for  Illinois stating she had been 44 years in the US, so arriving abt 1856.  Also Mary,  is on the 1870 in Illinois with her family.

Not sure abt departures from US, someone else may know better, but I don't
think there is anything like Ancestry lists for example for arrivals into
UK? Not sure why...

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AMBLY
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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 April 07 03:06 BST (UK) »
Hi

This looks like a lead on daughter Sarah, following on from Genealiza's lead:

Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900
http://www.ilsos.gov/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html
[ http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html ]

married: 19 Mar 1880, Williamson Cty,  Illinois
Sarah BOOTH and Theodore METZGER

1880 Census: Murphysboro, Jackson Cty, Illinois
Head: Theodore METZGER 29, House Carpenter, born PA, parents born PA
Wife: Sarah METZGER 20, Keeping House, b KY, parents born ENG
(found on LDS Census 1880 US records)

Cheers  ;D
AMBLY

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 April 07 03:32 BST (UK) »
And, from the same sources:  I'm thinking this could be daughter: Ann. Though age is a bit out if Anna is Anne - again later Census records for this couple might say when she arrived in US......?

Marriage: 15 Nov 1870, Jackson Cty, Illinois
Anna BOOTH and James H GREEN

Census 1880: Carterville, Williamson, Illinois
Head: James GREEN 37, Coal Miner, b ENG, parents b ENG
Wife: Anna GREEN 32, Keeping Houseb ENG, parents b ENG
Dau: Elizabeth A GREEN 7, b KY
Son: James H GREEN 5, b KY
Son: Thomas GREEN 4, b KY
Dau: Maggie GREEN 1, b KY

Cheers  ;D
AMBLY
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Re: Suggestions please cannot find immigration records
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 April 07 12:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Ambly and Genealiza

This is fantastic thank you both so much for all your help. Yes all the info seems to fit. I tried to send a link to Helen but i ended up copying most of the info incase it didn't work. I'm not as clever as you two. LOL. Take Care and thanks once again.

Carole aka Evie
Booth, Hornsby, Northumberland & Durham
Jackson, Northumberland & Durham
Douthwaite, N Yorks & Durham
Geldard, N Yorks
Ward, Cheshire & W Yorks
Swallow, Boid, W Yorks
Kirby, Lowe, Studholme, Geary, Emery, Baldock

census info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk