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1891 Census look-up LANDERS please
« on: Sunday 15 July 07 09:35 BST (UK) »
Could some-one check on the Landers family for me please - in 1881 they were at 2 Black Rock Cottages, Rottingdean, Sussex.
David Landers b 1840 Rottingdean, Sussex
Mary Jane (Dau ) b 1864  all kids born Rottingdean
Thomas b 1866
David  B 1871
George b 1874
Alice Bertha b 1879
Walter b 1881
Any help appreciated, thanks :D
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Re: 1891 Census look-up LANDERS please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 July 07 09:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Scrappyshaz

RG12 801 23 5
Living in Rottingdean, 2 Black Rock Cottages so same place
David Landers 51, Foreman at Gas works, born Brighton
Mary A, 26, housekeeper, born Rottingdean
David, 20 Meter Marker? at Gas works born Rottindean
George H, 18, Laundry man, born Rottingdean
Alice B, 12 scholar born Rottingdean
Walter, 10 scholar born Rottingdean

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Re: 1891 Census look-up LANDERS please
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 July 07 09:51 BST (UK) »
Hi again Scrappyshaz

I'm interested in this family because I have some Landers who came from Albourne and Twineham, I wonder whether we have a connection as that's not that far from Brighton?

I have a William Lander born 1785 in Albourne whose children were:
John, Elizabeth, Henry, Mary, Frances and Ann all born 1812 and 1824.

Do you know anything about David's parents?

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Re: 1891 Census look-up LANDERS please
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 July 07 09:55 BST (UK) »
Wow Kerry - that was FASSSSST!!!
Thanks thats a great help. I didn't find my Angelina with the family so will have to keep looking for her. If you notice her in Sussex she was Angelina Cross BURFORD b 1851 Bury St Edmunds Sussex,  married to a Richard HUTCHINSON - but probably separated. She was with the Landers children in 1901 at 1 Black rock Cottage - so hoped to find her there in 1891
Such is life!!
Thanks again for your superfast response,
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Re: 1891 Census look-up LANDERS please
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 July 07 09:57 BST (UK) »
Hi again Kerry,
I just looked David up on IGI & he was christened 23-2-1840 at Rottingdean to John LAUNDER & Sarah.
I have no other details on the Landers sorry as I'm chasing Angelina!!
Cheers
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Re: 1891 Census look-up LANDERS please
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 July 07 10:10 BST (UK) »
Never mind, I'm sure David must fit in somewhere.

Just had a quick look for Angelina, she's not showing herself!  Can I just clarify was she born in Bury, Sussex or Bury St Edmunds, Essex?

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Re: 1891 Census look-up LANDERS please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 16 July 07 20:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Kerry
It may help to know that I have done the Lander family tree for a friend of mine (Victor Lander) and the Black Rock Cottage lot do relate back to Albourne & Hurstpierpoint.

Below is a section from my Notes

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Known Family
John Lander of Hurstpierpoint / Albourne (born c1810)
married Sarah Patching from Hurstpierpoint/Albourne,
Producing
Thomas    bapt 18 May 1834, Albourne),
   1851 lodging with Moppet family in Rottingdean?   No trace 1881
Joseph    bapt 6 March 1836 Albourne,
married Lucy Moppet Dec 1861
   Address 1881    4 Black Rock Cottages
   Children shown later
Richard    bapt 1838, Rottingdean.
Married Ann (b c1841) from Littlehampton
   Address 1881   7 Cumberland Place Brighton
David    b 1840 Rottingdean
Married Harriet ? of Eastdean
   Children:   
Mary Jane bapt St Nicholas Brighton 1864,
Thomas, Harriet, George &
Alice Bertha bapt St Peter Brighton 25 May 1879
   Address 1881    2 Black Rock Cottages
John    bapt 1844 Rottingdean,
   No trace 1881
Charles   bapt 1846, Rottingdean..
Married Lydia Cox aged 22, Rottingdean 15 Nov 1875.
   Children    Martha, Jane & Louisa
   Address 1881   9 Black Rock Cottages
Jemima   bapt 16 March 1850 Rottingdean,
   Married Thomas John Cole, St Peters Brighton 27 Dec 1874
   1881 census 17 Rankin Street London   RG11 0062/42 page 24
   Thomas Cole Painter age 30 born Sussex
   Jemima Cole wife age 30 born Sussex
   Thomas J Cole son age 5 born Sussex
Notes
The baptisms suggest that the Lander family must have moved to Rottingdean between 1838 – 1840.
Futhermore, Joseph may not have cared whether he was born in Albourne or Rottingdean and just told the census enumerator the first thing that came into his head.

Joseph above (born c1836) married Lucy Moppet Dec 1861
Side note.
Lucy Moppet was an illegitimate child and at birth was given her mother’s maiden surname. Although her parents married within weeks of that birth, her baptism certificate also has her as Lucy Moppett. In later documents however, she takes her mother’s new husband’s surname and becomes known as Lucy Hide. John Hide (Lucy’s presumed father) is named as her father on the above marriage certificate
The couple produced
John Thomas   bapt Rottingdean 17 May 1863      Address 1881   4 Black Rock Cottages
Joseph Richard    bapt Rottingdean 1865 (M 1883?)      Address 1881   4 Black Rock Cottages
Amelia       bapt born March ¼ 1868 baptised    Rottingdean 1868 
Charles Frederic   bapt Rottingdean 1870 b June ¼ 1870   Address 1881   4 Black Rock Cottages

John above (born Rottingdean 1863) married twice.
His first wife was Emily Eason (m Rottingdean June ¼ 1885)
Emily was born circa 1862 and bapt St Nicholas, Brighton Sept 1862
It is believed she was the daughter of William & Susan Eason.  She died in 1889)
The couple produced Percy’s half brothers and sister
Arthur      born c1885 Brighton
Daisy      born c1886 Brighton
Joseph Charles    born c1890 Brighton  (b March ¼ 1889?)
   
John’s second wife who he married in Brighton (June ¼ 1893) was Frances (Fanny) Harriett Vine of Brighton, born circa 1864 and baptised August 1865.
She was the daughter of Edwin & Mary of 11 Black Rock Cottages, Rottingdean (1881)
The couple produced Percy on 29 December 1893

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Re: 1891 Census look-up LANDERS please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 July 07 20:36 BST (UK) »
This looks like your family on the 1841 census; address, Black Rock Rottingdean
John  Landers age 30 AG Labourer born in county
Sarah age 30                                   -----------------
Thomas age 7
Joseph age 5
Richard 3
David 1
This name was mis-transcribed as Lounders
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Re: 1891 Census look-up LANDERS please
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 July 07 20:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you Roy, I guessed they must do, it's not that far - as the crow flies!

Kerry
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