Kilbarchan families-Morrow, Lavery, Little

[puppygirl]

I just wondered if anyone out there has done any research into the Lavery, Morrow and Little families, lived 1840s onwards to about mid 1860s when some moved up to Glasgow.
I'm trying to find what happened to John Lavery, born c1834 to William and Margaret nee Thompson. John married Ann Warnock, 1854, had several children then seems to disappear, leaving Ann and weans to Barnhill Poorhouse. There is a John Lavery, same age, supposedly married to Margaret Morrow (no marriage cert to be found) who crops up in Australia on the LDS records, but I'm stuck at finding a connection between the two.
The Lavery and Little family are connected through John's sister Margaret marrying Robert Little, 1867. A Margaret Morrow married William Little in 1861, and on the 1861 census, the Littles and Laveries lived next door to each other......
My imagination tells me John Lavery may have run off with Margaret Morrow, his sister's sister-in-law.....
Any help in tracing John Lavery would be most appreciated. He's on the 1841,51 and 61 censuses, then his wife Ann calls herself a widow on the 1871 Census, but John is not listed as deceased when his daughter marries in the 1880s, and I can't find a death cert for him. HELP!!!

[MonicaL]

Hi Puppygirl

Welcome to RootsChat 

You have a good puzzle there! Just a couple of ideas that you might want to follow up on. Have you tried seeing whether poor relief records remain for Ann Warnock Lavery from her time at Barnhill Poorhouse. You might find your answers there...

Also have you tried following through the Margaret Morrow who married William Little, with family, in the censuses post 1861?

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Firming up your theory of a runaway couple, there is no death entry showing in Scotland for a Margaret Morrow/Little...nor can I see any children showing on IGI for William Little and Margaret Morrow?

I assume that this is the submitted entry you mean on IGI (I can also see the many children that show for them in Australia):

MARGARET MORROW Birth: 1849/Death:   10 NOV 1918     
Parents: JOHN MORROW    MARY ANN TROTTER    
Marriages: Spouse: JOHN LAVERY    Marriage: About 1868  Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

The parent names showing above certainly tie up with what looks like Margaret's entry in 1861 at home with family prior to her marriage later that year in Kilbarchan to William Little:

John Morrow 52
Marianne Morrow 58
Richard Morrow    16
Robert Morrow    14
Margaret Morrow 11, b. Glasgow
James Morrow    8

Address: Balmorrol Cottage, Kilbarchan

I think your hunch may be spot on! Hopefully, if you are lucky with Ann Warnock's poor relief records, at least some of it may be confirmed.

Regards.

Monica

ADDED: I'm not sure where you are located but it might be worthwhile following up on death certs in Australia for John Lavery and Margaret Morrow. Although, going the amount of submitted entries including marriages for their children in Australia and a death date for Margaret Morrow, it is looking likely that you have the right couple. It would help you to see some confirmation of John's parents' names as well.

....I've just seen, you're in Lancashire so maybe not so practical 

[tidybooks]

Hi

On 31 Dec 1861 William Little marries Margaret Morrow at Kilbarchan Renfrewshire, too late for 1861 census. In the 1871 census, William Little is 35 b 1836 Ireland and Margaret is 25 so must have married after 16th birthday, if this is correct one, but there are no children. The address is 41 New Street Paisley.

I am trying to get Littles and Lavery connected. I will be back

Tom

[puppygirl]

Many thanks to Monica and Tom. I've been fascinated by my John Lavery puzzle for ages, then today I discover the Little/Lavery connection...
I'm coming up to Glasgow next month to spend a day at the Mitchell looking at Ann Warnock Lavery's entry and death there in 1872, so that might give me some info.
I'm a bit unsure about using the LDS website, I always seem to go round in circles. Any link to relevant pages would be most appreciated.

[puppygirl]

If Margaret Morrow Little is living with William Little in Paisley in the 1871 census, she can't be the same one who ran away with John Lavery, can she..? The plot thickens.
The Little/Lavery connection is Robert Little marrying Jane Lavery, John's younger sister, in 1861. This is how i made the connection between the 3 families

[tidybooks]

Hi puppygirl,

Do not despair, there are few Margaret Morrows to get through to solve the puzzle.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true is a link for William Little and Margaret Morrow's marriage 31 Dec 1861.

Have you the address that Littles and Lavery's stayed next door to each other and what census date?

Tom

[MonicaL]

Just a couple of points:

Tom, the Margaret wife living with a William Little in 1871 shows a Paisley birth place whereas in 1861 she shows as born in Kilbarchan. That together with her age being light (Margaret Morrow looks to have been born c. 1849-50) makes me wonder whether we have the right Margaret at least.

Puppygirl, did Robert marry Margaret Lavery in 1867 or Jane Lavery in 1861? You have shown two different names/years 

[runningbear]

just a wee note puppy,

the lavery family where living in linwood, even though it says kilbarchan, see that william was on the 1881 census at napier street, linwood but away by 1891, i will have a wee look for him the next time i am in abbey road, cemetery.

Joe