My Mysterious Florence Taylor

[GlitteringPrize]

Hi Shaun

I was just looking at that, though looking at the 1901 census would fit with her being 13 and born in 1887, the 1891 census she would have been 3 if born in 1887, but it has her born 1889 - I am reasonably new to this so not sure how much ages might vary ??

I realise now maybe why I missed George.

I also have a George Taylor B1865 in Sunderland, he was the son of Jonathan's brother George, and his wife Margaret. I think I may have confused the two?! Especially as this George (b1865 Gateshead) seems to have possibly married a Margaret.

Looking at it it does seem to fit, and would explain my Florence, my gut instinct is telling me this is the one, and there doesn't seem to be another George who fits so well.

[ShaunJ]

Modified !!
If she was genuinely aged 2 at the time of the 1891 census, she would have been born anytime from 6 April 1888 to 5 April 1889.

If she was genuinely aged 13 at the time of the 1901 census, she would have been born between 1 April 1888 and 31 March 1889 1 April 1887 and 31 March 1888.

So theoretically it is possible.  not possible. But ages in the census are notoriously inaccurate !

Sunderland vs Newcastle as birthplace is a bit more of an issue I think

[GlitteringPrize]

LOL I hadn't thought of that as so much of an issue TBH as I know of someone who has a person born in Sunderland who was actually born in Hayes.

Perhaps that is my 'Down Southness' LOL

It's a bit of a strange one, as if you look at what appears to be the family in 1901 - George and Margaret - Florence is missing, but they have a George who is 12 (b1889)

However the Jonathan and Frederick names are family names (tho that could mean anything LOL ) but Frederick fits with the 1891 census.

Maybe Florence's birth date is out?

There are a couple of Georges born in Sunderland in 1889 ?

[GlitteringPrize]

OK have been searching and I'm pretty sure that George on the 1891 census with Florence is the right George.

The year and place of both match, in 1881 (at home with Jonathan and Hannah) he is listed as an Apprentice Engine Fitter, and in 1891 he is a Marine Engine Fitter (his brothers occupation was also this)

Still some strange goings on though, as I think I have them on the 1901 census also, and although I have Florence on the 1891 and not on the 1901 (when she would have been with Jonathan and Hannah), there is a George in 1901 who appears to have the same birth year as Florence 1889. If that is his true birth year, where was he on the 1891 census? ? ?

I still can't explain the Newcastle/Sunderland birthplace for Florence, but looking at the other George Taylors who may be possibilities, none of the other occupations seem to fit.

In 1891..... 21 South Durham Street, Bishopswearmouth, St Pauls, Sunderland
 
Florence Taylor Aged  2  abt1889 - Sunderland
Frederick Taylor Aged 11 Months  abt1890 - Sunderland
George Taylor Aged 26  abt 1865 - Gateshead - Marine Engine Fitter
Margaret Taylor Aged 25  abt 1866 - Sunderland

In 1901.... 26 Clyde Street, St Pauls, Sunderland
 
Frederick Taylor Aged 10  abt 1891 - Sunderland
George Taylor Aged 36  abt 1865 - Gateshead - Marine Engine Fitter
George Taylor Aged 12  abt 1889 - Sunderland
Jonathan Taylor Aged 5  abt 1896 - Sunderland
Margaret Taylor Aged 35  abt 1866 - Sunderland

Would appreciate any views on this?

Thanks

[doubletrouble]

FLORRIE FLORRIE FLORRIE

FLORRIE BORN 1889 daughter to George granddaughter to George, Jonathan's brother. she went to live with Jonathan and Hannah, when Hannah went blind (Hannah ran a theatrical boarding house)and then deaf.
Florrie was 18 when Elizabeth died and thats why she raised Frederick's children and thats why they called her auntie Florrie.

also Florrie went on to be a sunday school teacher.

Mel
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[GlitteringPrize]

Hiya Mel

Thanks for that, though it's now posing more questions LOL

OK so we have......

Children of Moses Taylor and Jane Brown:

Robert Taylor was born 1835 in Ellingham, Northumberland, England.
Jonathan Taylor was born 1841 in Ellingham, Northumberland, England and died 1910 in Sunderland, Durham, England.
Moses Taylor was born 1826 in Ellingham, Northumberland, England.
William Taylor was born 1826 in Ellingham, Northumberland, England.
John Taylor was born 1831 in Ellingham, Northumberland, England.
George Taylor was born 1833 in Ellingham, Northumberland, England.


Jonathan married Hannah Black....

Children of Jonathan Taylor b1841 and Hannah Black:

Peter Taylor was born 1863 in Gateshead, Durham, England.
George Taylor was born 1865 in Gateshead, Durham, England.
William Taylor was born 1869 in Sunderland, Durham, England.
Elizabeth J Taylor was born 1871 in Sunderland, Durham, England.
Frederick Taylor was born Aug 19, 1873 in SUNDERLAND Tyne and Wear England.
Jonathan Taylor was born 1870 in Sunderland, Durham, England.

George married Margaret (Unknown)

Children of George Taylor b1833 and Margaret(Unknown) :

Clement Taylor was born 1861 in SUNDERLAND Durham England and died 1881 in SUNDERLAND Durham England.
Jane Taylor was born 1863 in SUNDERLAND Durham England.
George Taylor was born 1865 in SUNDERLAND Durham England.


So both Jonathan b1841 and George b1833 had sons in the same year (1865) and called them George. George's George was born in Sunderland, and Jonathan's George was born in Gateshead, according the the censuses when they were living with their parents.

The George I have found with a Florence was born in 1865 in Gateshead which should make him Jonathan's George. Am struggling with George's George from Sunderland TBH and finding it hard to locate the family from 1881 onwards. I have them in 1871, but they are not readily obvious from then on, needs more digging. Could they both have had daughters and called them Florence around the same year just to confuse us more. Or perhaps George's George was really the father and she was staying with Jonathan's George at the time of the census ? LOL


 

[doubletrouble]

hi yah
theres only one goerge 1865
and thats goerges goerge, jonathan as far as i know didn't have a goerge , BUT at one time or another they all did stay with them so that might explain why hes on there census at that time.

mel

[doubletrouble]

oh p.s hannah was totally blind and deaf  nan was the last great grandchild she was alive to hold

mel

[GlitteringPrize]

Thank Mel

I still appear to have two Georges though 

On the 1871 census I have Jonathan and Hannah with son George b1866 in Gateshead, living at 104 Dame Dorothy Street, in Monkwearmouth.

And again on the 1871 census I have George and Margaret with son George b1865 in Sunderland living at 9 Eltrich/k's Quay. (RG10/5017)

I can't read the street name where George and Margaret were properly so I can't see if the street is still there to see if it would have been close enough for George to have been enumerated (is that the right word?) twice