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Tracing a SOLOMON - how reliable does this sound?
« on: Saturday 15 September 07 23:46 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

I could do with some advice. 

I have manged to find my Great Grandfather (Arthur) on the following census record for 1901:

67 High St
parish of Skinningrove
Ecc parish Brotton St mary
Richard Slomon head 48 Ironstone miner N.K. Cornwall
etc...
Arthur son 7 Schoolboy Normanby ditto

This would give Arthur's Father as Richard Solomon from Cornwall born circa 1853.  Going back into the Birth records there is a Richard Solomon:

March 1883:
Solomon    Richard         Truro    5c   186

and also

December 1854:
Solomon    Richard         St Columb    5c   107

I know that he was married to Amelia A from the 1891 and 1901 Census, in both cases Fred, Amelia and Family were in Brotton.

Looking at older Census records there appears to be a Richard Solomon on the 1871 Census and 1881 Census in Cornwall on Vessels, Royal Navy, England.  His birthdate appears on both records to be around 1853, and I have managed to get the Navy service records from the National Archives that give the Richard Solomon birthdate as the 9th October 1853.

On the Service history however it has his birthdate as Padstow, Cornwall however both of the birth registers are not this place; Truro and St Columb. St Columb is closer but could it have taken a year to record the birth?

Census   : 1871 Richard Solomon is recorded as single.
Marriage : 1874 September Richard marries Amelia A (which concurs with later census records)
                  (marriage - Vol 5c page 163)
Census   : 1881 Richard Solomon is married.

I guess there are two questions here: 

1)  Is the Richard Solomon likely to be the same Richard Solomon who lives in Brotton in 1891 & 1901? From the service history his service would have ended during October 1881 which would tie in which would correspond to the dates, also the Census records seem to have him marrying between the ten year gap of the two census dates - 1871 and 1881 - with him actually marrying on the separate records around 1874 to his wife Amelia who appears on his 1891 and 1901 records as his wife.

2)  Which Richard Solomon is likely to be the correct registration?  I guess it is Richard Solomon registered in St Columb in Dec 1854

1891 Census has his birth registration as St Austell, Cornwall, England about 1853.
1901 Census has his birth registration as N.K. Cornwall (where is this?!)
(both are the same family + wife)

I feel like I'm on a bit of a wild goose hunt and could be jumping to conclusions...

Any help much appreciated!

James
SOLOMON/BENNETTO - Cornwall
GREEN - Norfolk/N.Yorkshire
ROUNCE, THURLOW - Norfolk
MINCHER - Staffordshire
GOODBODY - London (?)

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Re: Tracing a SOLOMON - how reliable does this sound?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 15 September 07 23:51 BST (UK) »
N.K. Cornwall = "Not Known Cornwall

In other words whoever gave the information to the enumerator knew he was born in the county of Cornwall, but didn't know in which village/town

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Tracing a SOLOMON - how reliable does this sound?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 September 07 00:11 BST (UK) »
N.K. Cornwall = "Not Known Cornwall

In other words whoever gave the information to the enumerator knew he was born in the county of Cornwall, but didn't know in which village/town

Suz

Thanks for the info Suz...the plot thickens I think!

Cheers.
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ROUNCE, THURLOW - Norfolk
MINCHER - Staffordshire
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Re: Tracing a SOLOMON - how reliable does this sound?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 September 07 00:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Neobright,
I don't think Richard Solomon b. truro is "yours"

I have been following him back through the census and have the following birth places from the census

1901 N.k. Cornwall
1891 St Austell
1881 St Austell
1871 St Austell -age 18 servant - "works on farm indoor"-living in St Stephens Cornwall -the area where Amelia Ann gives as her p.o.b. -who he marries in 1874
1861 I have only found the Richard b. Truro on 1861 -but am working on this at the mo

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Tracing a SOLOMON - how reliable does this sound?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 16 September 07 00:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Suz,

Thanks YET AGAIN for your help.


THANKS!
SOLOMON/BENNETTO - Cornwall
GREEN - Norfolk/N.Yorkshire
ROUNCE, THURLOW - Norfolk
MINCHER - Staffordshire
GOODBODY - London (?)

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Re: Tracing a SOLOMON - how reliable does this sound?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 September 07 00:36 BST (UK) »
There is this birth

Richard Devonshire Solomon
Mar qtr 1853
St Austell
5c 151

and there are the following deaths
Richard Solomon
mar qtr 1853
St Columb 5c 93

Richard Solomon
Mar qtr 1854 Truro
5c 117

maybe these deaths were of infants??

it is possiblre "your Richard had the middle name Devonshire, but didn't use it on his marriage reg.

Back to looking in 1861

Willl post 1871 /81 shortly

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Tracing a SOLOMON - how reliable does this sound?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 September 07 00:44 BST (UK) »

it is possiblre "your Richard had the middle name Devonshire, but didn't use it on his marriage reg.

Suz

To be honest I am not sure, possibly...
SOLOMON/BENNETTO - Cornwall
GREEN - Norfolk/N.Yorkshire
ROUNCE, THURLOW - Norfolk
MINCHER - Staffordshire
GOODBODY - London (?)

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Re: Tracing a SOLOMON - how reliable does this sound?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 16 September 07 00:47 BST (UK) »
Suz,

I think I may have found him, there is possibly a mis-type or poor writing - see:

Richd Solomon possibly?
SOLOMON/BENNETTO - Cornwall
GREEN - Norfolk/N.Yorkshire
ROUNCE, THURLOW - Norfolk
MINCHER - Staffordshire
GOODBODY - London (?)

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Re: Tracing a SOLOMON - how reliable does this sound?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 16 September 07 01:01 BST (UK) »
Hi James,

There is a Richard Soloman baptised in Padstow

Richard SOLOMON baptised 5 Nov 1854 Padstow parents Richard and Anna Maria father Shipwright (This would agree with the birth Dec 1/4 1854 St Col)

Padstow is in St Col District - maybe the date on service records is out by one year - put his age up. Of course Padstow is not St Austell  :-\ That St Austell one is in Falmouth with his parents (born in St Austell )

RG9/1448 Folio 119 Page 13
27 Duke St
Padstow


SOLOMAN Richard Head 32 Mar b Padstow Shipwright
SOLOMAN Ann M Wife 35 Mar b Mevagissey
SOLOMAN George Son 10 b Padstow Scholar
SOLOMAN Elizabeth A Dau 9 b Padstow Scholar
SOLOMAN Richard Son 6 b Padstow
SOLOMAN Dorkas J Dau 2 b Padstow
SOLOMAN Alice Dau 1 Mon b Padstow
COCK Mary 63 Widow b Mevagissey

Cheers Kris  :D
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