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help to move forward please - I'm really stuck!!
« on: Friday 22 February 08 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I am trying to work back on my grandfathers family tree, but have become totally stuck at his grandfather and don't know how i move on from here.
I want to get his birth certificate or even his marriage certificate, but have searched and have found too many options as I'm not sure where he was born or what his wifes name was. How do i narrow it down?

The things I know;
name - James New
son - Frederick George New b Sep 12 1888 married an edith clara cooper 5 Apr 1913. At time of marriage Fredercik George his son was living in little Faringdon, Lechlade, Gloucester. Frederick George his son & wife later moved to Swindon Wiltshire.

What would you do next? Is there something I have missed?
Any help very gratefully received!!
THOMAS - esp in Swindon Wiltshire, Guernsey, RSA and Wales
NEW - esp in Winterbourne Monkton / Marlborough
COOPER - esp in Lechlade / Little Faringdon / Little London / Great Faringdon / Faringdon / Swindon

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help to move on please - i'm really stuck!!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 February 08 13:29 GMT (UK) »
Moderator comment: topics merged to prevent duplication of effort - please just post one request on a topic at a time

Hi,
I am trying to work back on my grandfathers family tree, but have become totally stuck at his grandfather and don't know how i move on from here.
I want to get his birth certificate or even his marriage certificate, but have searched and have found too many options as I'm not sure where he was born or what his wifes name was. How do i narrow it down?

The things I know;
name - James New
son - Frederick George New b Sep 12 1888 married an edith clara cooper 5 Apr 1913. At time of marriage Fredercik George his son was living in little Faringdon, Lechlade, Gloucester. Frederick George his son & wife later moved to Swindon Wiltshire.

What would you do next? Is there something I have missed?
Any help very gratefully received!!

[I posted this on the general England board too]
THOMAS - esp in Swindon Wiltshire, Guernsey, RSA and Wales
NEW - esp in Winterbourne Monkton / Marlborough
COOPER - esp in Lechlade / Little Faringdon / Little London / Great Faringdon / Faringdon / Swindon

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Re: help to move forward please - I'm really stuck!!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 February 08 13:33 GMT (UK) »
OK - well, one step at a time.

If  the birthdate you have is correct for Frederick, then this looks like his birth registration: Frederick George NEW, Sep 1888 Midhurst 2b 379.  There is nobody else matching his full name registered in 1888 or 1889.

The certificate should, if it's the right one, give you a full name (possibly including any middle names) and occupation for his father James and a name (including maiden name) for his mother. These details will help you to progress further.

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: help to move on please - i'm really stuck!!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 22 February 08 13:37 GMT (UK) »
The 1891 census shows

Winterbourne Monkton, Wilts
James New  36  Horse Carter                         born Monkton
Harriet
Broadhouse, Broadist and variants - world wide - one name study
Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden, Goold (Gould), Parker, Tanner
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon, Midwinter
London - Fox, Gill, Maidlow, Easton
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts, Hubbard, Cropley
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds, Ramsbottom, Jelley, Rutland
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney


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Re: help to move on please - i'm really stuck!!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 February 08 13:39 GMT (UK) »
Sorry my computer decided to post this before I finished typing


1891   Winterbourne Monkton, Wilts

James New  36   Horse Carter   b Monkton
Harriet          31                         b ?Purbrite
William          11                         b Monkton
Alice                8                         b Monkton
Bessie             6                         b Monkton
Frederick         3                         b Monkton
Bertie J            1                         b. Monkton


can't see any other Frederick's with father James of correct age.


Carolyn
Broadhouse, Broadist and variants - world wide - one name study
Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden, Goold (Gould), Parker, Tanner
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon, Midwinter
London - Fox, Gill, Maidlow, Easton
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts, Hubbard, Cropley
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds, Ramsbottom, Jelley, Rutland
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney

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Re: help to move on please - i'm really stuck!!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 22 February 08 13:41 GMT (UK) »
To avoid duplication of effort by Rootschatters, I'm posting the link to your other thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,287648.from1203687182/topicseen.html#msg1705253


Anna :)

Topics merged
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: help to move on please - i'm really stuck!!
« Reply #6 on: Friday 22 February 08 13:41 GMT (UK) »
You could always get the birth certificate

Sept 1888
Midhurst 2b 379
Frederick George New

This would give father's name and mother's maiden name.  And would be a great help forward.

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Re: help to move forward please - I'm really stuck!!
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 February 08 13:42 GMT (UK) »
1891 - RG12/ 849; Folio 40; Page 18 - Harting, Midhurst District

 
Frederic New 29 Head Ag Labourer Harting
Mary Ann New 25 Wife do
Lillian L New 5   dau do
Frederic G New 3  son Harting

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Re: help to move forward please - I'm really stuck!!
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 February 08 13:45 GMT (UK) »
Hmmm...wrong name for Dad!

So now it's a question of how reliable the original information is - wonder if its source is Frederick's marriage certificate?

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)