Marriage look up please 1876 - need name of church

[Cell]

Hi Scotmum,
you can see why I am confused can't you
Here's some of what I have :

 In about  1851/1852/1853 John Purdy was born ( he died in 1920 age 67 in Loughconnelly ) when my grandmother (his daughter)was only 2 ( who also was born in Loughconnelly ) - John's  wife  Mary reported it ( so I guess it's around about his right age give or take a few years) . My grandmother had old parents ( she was youngest by one), her mother gave birth to her when she was in her  40's and John who we knew was many years older than her mum died of a heart attack when she was 2( she actually remembered him dying as young as she was , he dropped dead in front of her , frightening- so it was easy for me to find the death year to obtain the cert)


John's father was Thomas Purdy and mother Jenny Graham
John's father's  Christian name (Thomas)I found out from his marriage cert- Jenny Graham I knew about before I even started tracing family history ( as my grandparents were second cousins, she is sister to my grandfather's grandfather Nixon Graham, their father is Archibald - it was very common knowledge in my family so to speak ) . It's lucky I did know about her (Jenny) as I would have probably taken the Thomas and Agnes marriage route to be both the parents of  my John, instead of  Thomas Purdy and Jenny Graham marriage


Addresses of Thomas Purdy and Jenny Graham at time of marriage Loughconnelly in 1850. Thomas is widow on marriage cert at  his time of marriage in 1850

John (Thomas's son) married in 1899  ( when he was in his 40's to someone who was 23 yrs his junior)to my g grandmother Mary Mcneill , address of john was  Loughconnelly ( also Mary's too)


Margaret is known by our family to be a half a sister of my g grandfather John

 have a list of  all  the known children born to Thomas and Agnes ( who married 1852 also from Loughconnelly) ,can't confirm  all the births myself- the ones before civil reg time, apparently the UHF researched this for someone else who was tracing Agnes and Thomas :

William  15th March 1855
John 16th April 1857
Mary Ann 23rd August 1859
Joseph 20th May  1863
Thomas 16th July 1865
Edward George 10th march 1868
Alexander 12th May 1870
Agnes  16th Nov 1874

Gawd I'm confused -  I keep coming back to this ,there are either two Thomas's in Loughconnelly ( uncle and Nephew as you have suggested), or that marriage to Agnes is him on a third marriage - hence Margaret being his half sister , or he popped his clogs leaving behind  two children called John and Margaret Purdy....  Now I find Margaret being younger than John  ( I thought she was older until I got the marriage) steers me to thinking it maybe  the same Thomas , I don't know..perhaps they  were just all insane  and now they are turning me insane too  in trying to figure it all out 

John  In the visitation notes I don't know who he - perhaps he is Thomas's brother,John's uncle . ( my John was abt 1853 so he would have only been abt 9 in 1862)
  My grandmother's  father's (John's)  half sister  Margaret died in Ireland  she  didn't emigrate .  Margaret's children? I don't know their names , but my mum may know . I'll have to ask her in my next phone call.

Kind Regards

[DixieDee]

Hi.
Don't know if this link will help or confuse with your question about the "Boal" surname. ( if I can make it work).
           www.ancestry.com/facts/Boal-family-history.ashx

Regards,
Dixie
PS.  When I tried the link it would not work , so I put address it ISP search box , worked O.K.
After that I tried the link again and it worked. ( Boy,o,boy, computers confuse me, born in the wrong era, I guess ).

[scotmum]

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.ireland.ant.general/5613/mb.ashx


The entry by a Kevin Jackson, near end of page - entry 9, at the above link adds more confusion to the matter. He seems to believe the Margaret Shaw Purdie born to Thomas and Agnes/Nancy was the one who marriaed William Boal and emigrated.  Maybe you could try to contact him to discuss further.

[scotmum]

John  In the visitation notes I don't know who he - perhaps he is Thomas's brother,John's uncle . ( my John was abt 1853 so he would have only been abt 9 in 1862)
 

They, Thomas and John, appear to have lived in adjacent properties on parts of the same plot of land - Thomas at map reference 19 d and John at 19b.

[Cell]

Thanks Dixie and scotmum, I'm still trying to get my head around it all - it's so confusing;
I am now leaning the other way again lol - That there was two Thomas's and he wasn't on his third marriage, he may have died before the 1860's. It still doesn't explain Margaret Purdy though. I know that my gran's father John Purdy had a half sister called Margaret Purdy, she lived nearby to my gran when my gran was a very young girl( don't know what that means - if Margaret lived in the same village, or say  just up the road from Loughconnelly) - wish my gran was still alive (died just a few yrs ago), she could have answered a few things - arhg, pulling my hair out over this:D

Anyway, reason why I'm leaning back toward there were two Thomas in Loughconnelly- I have just found the marriage of John Purdy no 2  (the one on the above list that apparently was born 16th April to Thomas and Agnes.) well when I say I have found it, I have just noticed I had that marriage saved on my computer from ages ago  ( I randomly saved 4 John Purdy's  off the UHF site when it used to be 5 names for the one price with my spare credits - and by sheer luck I managed to save the other John's marriage from Loughconnelly too without realising it , when back then I didn't know about the other John 

The other John married a Catherine Doran on the 20/5/1879, he was also a bachelor (like my John) and address at time of marriage Loughconnelly too- his father , Thomas  he has described as a labourer - his father Thomas on his own marriage cert describes himself as Farmer ( as does my Thomas Purdy) - Most of the marriage certs have them as Farmers, Labourers, and shepherds -depending on who is describing them at the time ( - so I guess, farmer and labourer are interchangeable -and  they ( The two thomas's) are both ag labs.
why oh why did these Purdies have to be called Thomas , John and William lol -  it must have been confusing living around there

Thanks so much for the above  help you've all given me - I'll check out the above links.
computers Dixie - you and me both, I can't get my Vital index cds to work on  Window vista - I want  my windows Xp back!
Kind Regards

P.S. Scotmum , would the Minister of Buckna presbyterian church record people in the village who were not members of that church? 
The reason why I am asking is  my Thomas married in 1st Presbyterian in Broughshane and his son married in the 2nd Broughshane ( allthough it could be the brides churches of course). It's just that I have none of my Purdy marriages occurring in Buckna church .
Kind Regards
sorry for the bold type it's just my questions tend get lost to the eye in my long posts

[aghadowey]

if Margaret lived in the same village, or say  just up the road from Loughconnelly) -

would the Minister of Buckna presbyterian church record people in the village who were not members of that church? 
The reason why I am asking is  my Thomas married in 1st Presbyterian in Broughshane and his son married in the 2nd Broughshane ( allthough it could be the brides churches of course). It's just that I have none of my Purdy marriages occurring in Buckna church .

First of all you might be getting confused with villages and townlands. There would be lots of townlands in the Loughconnelly area. If working in an unfamiliar area it often helps to have a map of the surrounding townlands to check when you come across names in records.

Don't forget that marriages usually, although not always, took place in the bride's church which might be why you have 2 Purdy men getting married in different churches without finding more Purdys in the records. Church records record the baptisms and marriages in that congregation, communicants rolls will only record members of that church and buried records (if any) only record those who are buried in that churchyard (although minister's notebooks- their own personal property- may note funerals attended at other places).

[Cell]

Hi  Aghadowey,
townland /street on my  marriages ( John and Thomas) are written as Loughconnelly. My grandmother herself married in Ballymena (High kirk church) where she later moved to and settled with my grandfather

my grandmother's birth cert from GRO ( 1916 )is just Loughconnely(p.S wrote that she was 2 when her father John died , my mistake in typing the above posts she was 4) - no other address such as streets/townlands.

 (1920)GRO Death cert for John ,her father's place of death, just the words Loughconnelly of place of death ( he died at his home - heart attack)
regarding marriages - John's place of marriage I do think was the bride's ( Mary Mcneill)church as that was ( her family)church, and Thomas's marriage in the 1st presbyterian ,not sure who's church that is, bride or groom - Jenny's family ( his wife )was church of Ireland ,  she was originally from ( well born in) Ballymoney before moving to Loughconnelly

I can't find any reference to any other Thomas, William Purdies in or around the nearby areas in Griffiths or the like around that time that, or any marriages etc- there seems to be only only one Thomas, one John senior ( don't know who he is , he's not mentioned on any of the certs of either families, and none of the certs have any male Purdy witnesses , the women witnesses I'm currently trying totrace who they are - but not easy) and one William being recorded around the nearby areas - but  there are two  Thomas's (son's of william's), two Williams, and two  John's ( son's of Thomas's) getting married with basically all the same details, same address's, same occupations, same father's names etc , bar the marital status of some of them at time of marriage.

Are communicants rolls the same as the ministers "vistations" ? The notes I'm referring to that Scotmum gave me ages ago are Ministers Vistation's .

Kind Regards

[aghadowey]

Loughconnelly is the townland- years ago there would not have been road names.

Communicants Rolls are the list of the communicants in the church (i.e. members of the church extitled to take Communion). There are usually two ways for a person to join a Presbyterian congregation- by Profession of Faith (such as a young person taking instruction to join the church) or Transfer of Membership (coming from another congregation). Often the Communicants Roll will list the persons previous church in the case of a transfer. As Communion is taken twice a year the Roll can be a good indication of when a person might have moved away or died.

Visitation lists are different in that they usually show all the members of a family that belonged to the church. Quite often the head of the household is listed first with spouse and then children, etc. (and I've found that ministers were pretty good at listing the children in order of birth which can be very helpful).

[Cell]

Hi aghadowey,
The visitations show that there was one Thomas, and wife with two children - no names of children or wife recorded ( which my Thomas had  2 children at that date, and also seems that other Thomas did as well lol) - a couple of years later 4 children. -  it could be either Thomas senior, this is why it's so confusing - the Two Thomas's (two thomas's father's william) and  both families children are so very alike,  The same addresses,  The same father's,  The children with the same names, same occupations- it's almost as if they are one person, it is very hard to sort out which child belongs to who before civil reg time, and who is who

 - only diff my Purdy family stayed there in the area Broughshane (except my gran, moved to Ballymena and lived there where mum was born and grew up, then later  to England with her hubby due to his job ( army) with my mum and mum's siblings) too

I still have Purdy family out there,  I know that my gran's older  brother (john Purdy - another John again lol))stayed there in around Broughshane, he died there in the 1960's ( I think 60's -it could be earlier  50's ) in an  accident (  blew himself up with some explosives  work related, mining related I believe) He  had a few children, couple of boys ( mum can't remember names of his boys) and one girl  who was called Emily( remembers her name easily) - wish I could get a hold of his children, my mum's cousins, they should be still alive - don't know who Emily married, but the boys would still  be carrying the Purdy name of course and maybe easier to find.

My gran's other brother Thomas had no children - (another Thomas too lol) wife couldn't have any( Thomas died over there the mid  1960's , he died apparently from a heart attack ,like his father John did)- One of the my grans  female siblings   daughters (one of mum's first cousins) I was in contact with but she  left Ireland to England before my mum ) - Whilst on the other hand  it seems that many of the other  Purdy family ( from the thomas and agnes family) seemed to have emigrated to  scotland, America etc a few generations ago

Very confusing
maybe I should take the advice of Christopher's post -  advising people to write to the newspapers in the area , maybe I can find my  my mum's 1st  cousins who should still be  around Broughshane today, or perhaps their children

Thanks for your above help
Kind Regards