Lady Ellisha Mathew

[wyseass]

Who were her children?
Who was their Father?
Why did she leave the estate and all to Count Chabot if she had children? 
It would be nice to know who her children were, because one of them is meant to have been my great-great-great grandfather Rev. Robert Mathews, head master of the Diocesan School, Ballymena, Co. Antrim. But I can't find his parents any where?
Hopefully somebody can help me solve this.

[heywood]

Good morning wyseass,

Welcome to rootschat. It's best in any research to give dates - to help people find any clues.
However, I have found this which seems to indicate that Lady Elizabeth
Mathew was unmarried when she died and left her estate to Viscount de Chabot.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BGV_qyBZ9LoC&pg=PA112&lpg=PA112&dq=irish+peerage+tipperary+mathews+family&source=web&ots=G-o94QZkdI&sig=wFfU4ZqVqXY3C89URNsddvoNLe0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result

best wishes
heywood

[ChrisPage]

Hi wyseass

Glad you have joined rootschat, I was hoping to get in contact again. We might be able to knock down some brickwalls between us.

My father always believed he was descended from Lady Elizabeth Mathew. He had three names,
Captain William FitzWilliam Mathew bn abt 1796
Robert Mathew
Thomas Mathew
three sons whos father was said to have been The Prince Regent/ George 1V.

I downloaded Lady Elizabeths will and she mentions a son Capt William FitzWiliam Mathew. He was in the Bengal Army. Also found him on Ancestry censuses 1841-1861.

Back later as I have to go out for a while

Christine

[heywood]

Hello Christine,
this is interesting- I was intrigued by this even though nothing to do with it unlike yourself.
I was going to suggest to wyeseass that he/she gets a copy of the will. I saw on another site that someone suggests that Lady ELizabeth and The Viscount were cousins.
Also on the site I gave, it mentions Theobald Mathew who should have been the heir, I think. He was a cousin and a famous priest- his side of the family were Catholic.
I hope you get somewhere with this.

best wishes
heywood

PS
I'm not sure about this but if the children were illegitimate- would they be prevented from inheriting the estate?

[wyseass]

The information that I have verified is:
My Father was Cecil Peel Beresford Mathews 1931-1991
Grandfather Alfred Henry (born in Antrim) 1897-1951
Greatgrandfather Marcus Beresford 1862-1947
Great-great-grandfather Frederick Albert 1827-?
Great-great-great-grandfather Rev. Robert Mathews 1798-?
It is documented in Father Theobald's biography that Lady Ellisha (who paid for his education) had promised to cover all his debts on her death - however this didn't happen had he had a terrible time trying to pay them off, as he head spent freely on the promise of his inheritance.
"This old lady, who by all accounts was at least as fit for a lunatic asylum as her brother George" (London Times 06/09/1843, left everything to Viscount de Chabot against the express wishes of her brother Francis James 2nd Earl of Llandaff (died 1833), who had left the estate to her.  She died 14/12/1841 in her house in Molesworth Street, Dublin.
The family over the years changed their religion to suit the times and to hold onto their title and estates, as was the way in Ireland in those days.

It is good to have found you again Christine.

I just can't seem to fine a link between Robert and Elisha (Elizabeth).

I hope somebody can help.

[ChrisPage]

wyseass

Here is my verified family names incase you come across any information on them.

My father was Edward Matthews 1918-1991
Grandfather George Humphreys Matthews 1882-abt 1962
Gt Grandfather William Henry Dundas Matthews bn abt early 1840s
Gt Gt Grandfather John Matthews
John Matthews was living in Garville Avenue in 1864 when my Gt Grandfather William married in Donnybrook Church.

Christine

[aghadowey]

Gt Grandfather William Henry Dundas Matthews bn abt early 1840s
Gt Gt Grandfather John Matthews
John Matthews was living in Garville Avenue in 1864 when my Gt Grandfather William married in Donnybrook Church.

If the above information is taken from William's marriage certificate: Irish marriage certificates list the residence of bride and groom at the time of the marriage which may not be the place where the parents were living.

[ChrisPage]

Hi Heywood
Yes Lady Elizabeth and the Viscount Chabot were 1st cousins. There mothers were sisters.
Lady Elizabeths mother was Ellisha/Ellis Smyth but i do not know her sisters first name.
Lots of conflicting info found on Theobald Mathews so not sure if he was a cousin or not.

Wyseass
I found an article about George 1Vs daughter having a birthday party and Lady Elizabeths name was on the list.

Christine

[heywood]

I love these fascinating stories and thank you for posting the bits - just to satisfy our curiosity 

When I was searching around I did read that George IV possibly/had several illiegitimate children so you never know.
I did find it odd that her will only mentioned the one child because if, as I presumed, no one could inherit die to illegitimacy then why mention that one.

I have also read that there seem to be several well documented pieces about Theobold, the priest. I think I also read that Theobold/Toby was a family name.

Somehow I always imagined that families like these would be well organised in family listings- obviously not.

good luck with it all
heywood