1851 census - help understanding please

[Jackie45]

Hi Everyone,

A friend has printed out a page of the 1851 census for me with some of my family on it:-

Bottom 7 rows the EGERTON family:-

Can you help me with the occupation of THOMAS please?   I cannot read it.  There is also a cross in the box for deaf-dumb/blind for him and his wife SARAH;  does that mean precisely that?

From what I can gather, all our families were miners, but I cannot read what it says there!

Also, the birth place, I can read Mow Cop, Cheshire, but cannot read the other I think it says Aper Green?

Many thanks
Jackie

[Jackie45]

Ooops,
sorry

Page 16 i think page 266

ref:  HO 107/2002

sorry, I'm a bit new to all of this!

Jackie

[Ecneps]

Hi Jackie,

Occupation for Thomas is Waggoner, and birthplace may be Spen Green, Cheshire which is about 4 miles from Mow Cop

genuki map here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/gazplace?CCC=CHS,GR=SJ810600,PLACE=SPEN%20GREEN

Kind regards,
Barbara 

[AMBLY]

Hi Jackie

They are actually in Staffordshire?
Reference is:
HO107 -  Piece: 2002 /  Folio: 266 /  pg17 and 18

And the family continues over to the next page:

1851: Mow Cop - Village of Mow Cop, Brerehurst, Staffordshire
(Ecclesiatic Parish of St Thomas Mow Cop)
Head: Thomas EGERTON 53, Waggoner, b Aper Green?? , Cheshire
Wife: Sarah 47, b Mow Cop Cheshire (sic, dittioed as Cheshire)
Son: William 23, unm, Coal Miner, b Mow Cop Staffs
Son: Joseph 18, unm, Coal Miner, b Mow Cop Staffs
Dau: Eliza 15, unm, b Mow Cop Staffs
Son: lewis 12, coal miner, b Mow Cop Staffs
Son: Edwin 10, scholar, b b Mow Cop Staffs
Son: John 6, scholar,  b Mow Cop Staffs
Dau: Novelia 3,  b Mow Cop Staffs
Visitor: William EGERTON 59, married, farm lab. b Masford? Masfield? Bank, Cheshire

The cross marks in the Deaf/Dumb/Blind ciolumn - are more that most likely just "counting" or "checking" marks made by the enumerator - they often used this column as such (I've seen some census pages where ever single person on the page has a tick in that column    . If the person was indeed deaf etc, they would write a word in that column, such as for eg:  deaf, dumb. blind since birth and also  insane idiot, imbecile and so on....

Cheers
AMBLY

[Ecneps]

In 1861 Sarah is a widow, sadly, as maybe Thomas' birthplace may have been clearer, and in 1841 only whether or not born in the county is stated, no town, although as I said, it's probably Spen Green

She is living with son James and family, and no sign of any marks this time in the end column for any of them. 

Full details if you don't already have them.

Barbara 

[Jackie45]

Hi Barbara and Ambly,

Thank you both so much for you help and information.

Waggoner!  Of Course!  I thought the W was a U so was going along those lines doh!!!!!!

Yes, it's all coming together now thanks.  I know they were all originally from Mow Cop and then they all migrated North to Wigan area for the mines.

Thanks also about the marks in the column;  I did wonder how could they be working if 'afflicated'!!!  So thanks for that.

You guys are brilliant; off to the library to see what else I can find out.

Barbara; you say you have full details???  I don't have anything really, I am starting to piece things together then I can apply for birth certificates and the like,, so if you have anything, I would be rather grateful.

Thanks again.
Jackie

[Ecneps]

Hi Jackie,

1861  RG9/1923 fol. pp.29/30
Mount Pleasant, Brieryhurst, Staffordshire
EGERTON
James     head m 34 Coal Miner
Mary A     wife m 35
Augusta(?)    dau    10 Scholar
William F    son      7     "
Sarah  mother wid 57
Edward brother s  27 Coal Miner
John         "        s  16    "       "

and above them on the page, living next door:
EGERTON
Lewis     head  m 24   Coal Miner
Maria      wife  m  24
Sarah A   dau       4    Scholar
Emma         "        2   
Hannah E.   "      3wks
John        nephew 10  Scholar

all of them born Staffs, Mow Cop

Barbara

[Ecneps]

1861 RG9/2612  Folio  9  Page  11
Horse Shoe Inn, Newbold Astbury
in household of John Thompson, alehouse keeper
Noverlo EGERTON serv 13 House servant Staffs Wolstanton

marriage Mar 1867 Congleton    8a   374
 Novelo EGERTON to  Henry STANIER   

1871 census RG10/3706 Folio  28  Page  16
Mount Pleasant, Odd Rode, Cheshire
STANIER
Henry   head m 31 Coal Miner Wolstanton Staffs
Novelo  wife  m 25                               "
Ann       dau        2                   Odd Rode, Cheshire
Henry   son    9 months                "              "


Barbara

[Ecneps]

Marriage Sep 1866 Congleton    8a   397
Augusta    EGERTON   to  Levi WRIGHT

1871 census RG10/3706  Folio  26  Page  11
Mount Pleasant, Odd Rode
Levi WRIGHT head m 25 Coal Miner   Lawton Staffs
Augusta  "    wife   m 21                   Wolstanton Staffs

on same page
EDGERTON
William  head m 43  Coal Miner  Odd Rode Cheshire
Sarah    wife  m 34                     Winsford        "
Wm. Thomas son 12                   Buglawton     "
Sarah E    dau   9                       Wolstanton Staffs
Joseph     son    6                               "
Phillip Hy    "       1                              "


Barbara