completed more oppinions needed please on death of benjamin dale hartlepool

[lynne j]

Hi, you could write a book about this you really have a good imagination ,the reason I bought the death certificate was ,I thought benjamin had done something really wrong and had died in prison , didnt realise it was the workhouse ,so I suppose the secret has died with them and I will never know why or what happened ,but I will go back to the records office again and see if i can find anything out ,It did say there were records still kept from 1876 at cleveland county records office middlesborough  ,I had bought the book on paupers in the workhouses county durham and northumberland  by george bell which lists  all of the inmates who had been in the workhouse for over 5 years and why they were in but its only 1861 census ,
lynnej

[ronweb]

Hi. When my g granma, Ann Dale remarried Benjamin Taylor in 1878, there was no details of fathers name on the cert. However, could it be that he was dead ?  Benjamin showed his father as deceased and underneath are what I assumed were ditto marks. Was this just a lazy registry clerk? I would be glad if someone could find his death because I have just about given up.
ronweb

[lynne j]

Hi ,benjamin taylor and ann dale are my ggrandparents I do have all birth marriage and death certificates If we are the same family
lynne j
added I am waiting for records from teeside archives about  the throston workhouse where benjamin dale died to see if it sheds more light on the death

[ronweb]

Hi lynne j,  My grandmother was Jane Mabel taylor b 1889. I have info on most of the family except Walter. Do you have anything on him ie birth, marriage, death?  I notice you posted an early photo of him. Would appreciate it.
ronweb

[lynne j]

Hi sending a pm now ,and when I receive records from teeside archives on benjamin dale I will forward info on to you
lynnej

[lynne j]

Hi  ronweb ,just received record back from teesside archives for benjamin dale
throston workhouse hartlepool
benjamin dale date of admission 11th of march 1881 relgion church of england name of informant (no name) discharged or dead march 16th 1881 only in the workhouse 5 days
so no age given so really not much help at all, all I have Is when jane dale remarried james balliss or baylass in 1879 james and jane  were both residing at esh durham then in 1881 were living in harton
1881 census
rg11 piece 5019 folio 108 page 39
harton south shields 7 green lane
james baylas age 50 mar plate layer born gloucestershire
jane baylas           47 mar                  born co durham
william baylas son age 15                  born w hartlepool
charles baylas son age 10                 born w hartlepool
walter baylas  son age 8                    born w hartlepool
james baylas son age 5                     born w hartlepool 

1871 stranton west hartlepool
benjamin dale head age 41 gardener born helmsley
jane dale        wife   age 36 
buy dale                   age 11               born stranton
elizabeth dale          age 7                          stranton
william dale              age 5                          stranton
jane dale                   age 2                         stranton
charles dale             age 2 months              stranton 
james balliss bach   age 38   lodger    born north beach gloustershire   
lynne j             

[ronweb]

Hi lynnej,
Thanks for the info. It seems were not much closer. It is interesting that Elizabeth retained her fathers name. She was listed as a witness on Anns marriage in 1878.
Ronw

[lynne j]

Hi I dont think we are ever going to know what happened,the secret lies with them ,but Im now sure It Is our benjamin dale who died in the workhouse 1881 I know the age was out by 10 years but he gave no age when admitted so they would have guessed his age ,I am now trying to find out If walter baylass or dale born 1873 and james baylass or dale born 1876 in hartlepool stranton are reg under baylass or dale ,
lynnej

[ronweb]

Hi lynn j,
did a quick check of Freebdm (only thing i have access to) and a James Robert BALES was born in S shieds in Dec 1876. No record of Walter.
Ronw