"I've" only just scraped into the "further back than 1650" . Not my tree really, I wish!!. It's my husband's tree. One of his lines we've traced right back to 1648 in Abergwilli, Carmarthen, "Jermiah John"
The next longest is 1690 Owen's in Oystermouth, then the very early 1700's with his Bydder's of Oystermouth, Morgan's of Pennard. some people!!, It's enough to make you sick

. he's lucky with these families.
Although he does have a very short line on his "Russian" immigrant to Wales "carlsen", and then other lines late 1700's, early 1800's, and his Bowen's of Skewen/Neath, thomas's etc
My tree is a totally different matter, it's a shrub - I haven't gone back before 1800 on any of my Welsh lot yet. I'm having a very tough time - anyone know an Ann Davies of Carmarthen , born around 1830 ?? lol

My welsh lines, are around the 1830's/1840's. I've gone from Glamorgan into Carmarthen,and having a tough time finding them there, they are hiding from me .
