White family in Shields

[Holum]

Hi
Did find  the family in 1911 census when I did vissit Kew, London 1 of May

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Background:

Father Theodor Catharinius Nielsen from Bergen Norway
Family moved and lived in North Shields as shipagent.

Gudrun Nielsen daughter Theodor Catharinius born 13 Feb 1885 in Bergen, bapt 17 Jun 1888 i Nykirken Bergen.
Gudrun married (Jack) John Thomas White. Jack born 1887 in North Shields
Northumberland England.

Gudrun was over 90 years when died.
(When her father Theodor Catharinius Nielsen dies 1919, he was a Surveyor, to sign deathcertificate D.W.Dobie son-in-law 14 Brislee Avenue.
Also Surveyor for the Norwegian Board of Trade, adress 21 Alma Place, North Shields, Newcastle.)
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How can I find information of what became of this family, Gudrun was wifes grand aunt I believe

Children in marriage of Gudrun an Jack:
John Lawrence White, born 1911 in North Shields Northumberland UK.
Joan White born after 1911 i England.

Thank you.
Regards Vidar Holum
Oslo Norway.

MY Web:
http://www.holum.net/gen/rafpilot.htm

and
http://www.holum.net/holumgenealogy.htm

[JosiahS]

Hi Holum

Welcome to Rootschat!

I can't find a birth for John Lawrence in 1911, but there is a John L White registered in Tynemouth in the September quarter of 1910 - ref Tynemouth Sep 1910 10b/236 - which would be right for North Shields.

Apart from that I found Louisa H White (mother's name Neilson [sic]) in Newcastle upon Tyne in Dec 1911 10b/211

Other possible:
Stanley White Newcastle March 1913 10b/30 - mother's name Nelson
Gordon White Tynemouth March 1914 10b/655 - mother's name Nelson

I can't find a Joan at all.

The marriage for John and Gudrun took place Tynemouth Sep 1909 10b/323

Hope this helps

Ashley

[deryckjohn]

Hi Holum,

Welcome,

Joan was registered in Tynemouth

Dec   1911   White   Louisa H   Nielson   Newcastle T.   1   10b   211
Dec   1917   White   David N   Neilson   Newcastle T.   1   10b   159
Dec   1919   White   Mary C   Neilson   Newcastle T   1   10b   232
Jun   1921   White   Danielsen   Neilson   Newcastle T.   1   10b   258
Mar   1931   White   Joan A   Nielssen   Tynemouth   0   10b   447

See www.freebmd.org.uk

Deryck

[Holum]

Thank you.
Also got this, but IGI years can not be correct.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/family_group_record.asp?familyid=94689316&indi_id=100000523252&lds=1&region=12&frompage=99

Not easy to search from Norway.

[c-side]

Welcome Holum,

I've looked at the IGI record you linked to and this has been submitted by someone researching their family.  The only true date is the birth of Gudrun, which agrees with your date.  The others are simply guesses or estimates and should never be relied upon.

Only the IGI records extracted from actual church records are likely to be correct and even these are subject to transcription errors at times.

The information provided by Deryck and Ashley is from official civil registers.  Do you need information on how to obtain birth/marriage certificates?

Christine

[deryckjohn]

Also the marriage entry is incorrectly transcribed in freebmd

Transcription is:

NIELSSEN    Gudru_         Tynemouth    10b   329

it is in fact

NIELSSEN    Gudrun         Tynemouth    10b   323 on the ancestry image.

Deryck

[Holum]

Hello
Search is on again.
Started a tread here, but the house law i strict:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbhistory/NF2233810?thread=8264826#p109974809

Message for there:
There is a marriage for Joan and you may be able to find someone through it. But neither that site nor this like names etc of possible living people to be posted on the internet, privacy etc and good manners really.

Trying to find Joan, have ordred a birth cerificate.
Mar   1931   White   Joan A   Nielssen   Tynemouth   0   10b   447

John senior's her fathers death?:

Name: John T White
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1950
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Northumberland South
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1b
Page: 460

Gudrun re-marriage

Name: Gudran White
Spouse Surname: Leyden <<<<
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1965
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 221

David M Leyden

Death

Name: Gudrun Leyden
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1888
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1982
Age at Death: 93
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 0516

What do you think of this.

Got marriage cert for Gudrun and John Thomas ok married 16 th July 1909 Tynemouth.
First child John Lawrence born 7 july 1910 Tynemouth
Then I have the correct start :-)

[Holum]

Hello
Joan Amelia, born january 1931  Forest Hall Longbenton, Tynemouth OK.
Then this is spot on....

And Gladys White is widow when John Lawrence dies in 1984.
And she is also daughter in law when John Thomas dies in 1950.
Also in Forest Hall

Can it be this?
Marriages Mar 1944
WHITE    John L    Allan    Nthmbld.S.    10b   423

Is not Allan a mans name?

[c-side]

Hi Holum

Alan (various spellings) is a man's name but in this case it is the maiden surname of the woman John White married.  If you look further into the record you will see that he maried a lady called Gladys Allen who would, after marriage, become Gladys White.

Christine