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Duffin Carson of Belfast
« on: Sunday 04 October 09 19:43 BST (UK) »
Trying to trace more Carson family of Belfast.
Duffin Carson and Sarah Jane McKeown.
Duffin was born abt 1847, Sarah jane was born abt 1845, one of their children William born Armagh 15 sept 1869, married Mary Coulter born Ballymena 12 jan 1870 at Broughshane first Presbyterian Ballymena.
Mary Coulters father was George.

William and Mary moved to Govan Scotland where they started their family

Just looking for more children of Duffin and Sarah

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Greenock;McBride,Boyd,Carmichael,Muir,Carson,McCorquodale,MacLean,Connal,Duncan,McLachlan,Connal
Arran;McBride,Robertson,Kerr
Yoker;Duncan
Campbelltown;Stevenson,Duncan,Dunlop
Banffshire;Stevenson,McKenzie
Perthshire;Pride,Malcolm,Balfour
Fife;Pride,Malcolm
Northern Ireland;Carson,Coulter,McKeown,Boyd
Ayrshire...Muir
Dumbartonshire;McCorquodale,Millar
Lochwinnoch;Orr (Of the Kaim)
Lanarkshire;Duncan, Duckett (shoe shops)
Australia;Boyd,Duncan,Allan
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Re: Duffin Carson of Belfast
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 October 09 20:09 BST (UK) »
Not sure where you've searched for the Carsons so far but did a few quick searches and easily found some information.

IGI (www.familysearch.org) lists several children of Duffin Carson and Sarah Jane McKeown-
1. William (the one you already have)
2. Mary Jane born 9 Sept.1871 Co.Antrim
3. Elizabeth Ann born 4 Feb.1874 Ireland
4. Joseph born 3 Jan.1876 Antrim district, Co.Antrim

Index to civil registrations lists the marriage:
Duffin CARSON 1869 Belfast registration district volume 6 page 322
Sarah Jane M'KEOWN same details
with this information you can order the marriage certificate which should list fathers' names and occupations if you are trying to trace the family back. See here for details on ordering N.I. certificates-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383526.0.html

Index to civil registrations also lists several Duffin Carsons.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
1911 Census is also online and there's a Duffin carson and family living in Ballymena but since he's born c1852 accrding to census age this is probably one of the others with the same name-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001357223/


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Re: Duffin Carson of Belfast
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 October 09 20:50 BST (UK) »
muckypup

Hi, I don't know anything about the Carson family in Belfast, but a Duffin CARSOn was in the Belfast newspaper in 1879. Looks like there was a ding dong battle involving some neighbours called Carroll, because this was in the newspaper then;

The Belfast News-Letter  Saturday, July 26, 1879

Maliciously wounding

DUFFIN CARSON was charged with maliciously wounding John Carroll and Felix Carroll, jun., on the 17th March (1879). John Eagleson was charged with maliciously wounding John Carroll and Samuel Sutter, and with maliciously wounding Felix Carroll. There were second and third counts against each of the prisoners for assaults occasioning actual bodily harm and common assault.
Counsel for the prisoners-Mr. Kisbey (instructed by Mr. J.K. Currie)

The alleged assaults were committed in a row which occurred near the house of the father of the Carrolls on the night of the 17th March, and the prisoners, with three others, charged the previous day with riot and unlawful assembly, but acquitted on that charge. The evidence for the prosecution was to the effect that on the evening of 17th March John Carroll left the house of a neighbour named Blaney, about nine o’clock, in consequence of a message which he received in reference to some stone throwing at his father’s house. He took a pair of tongs in his hand, and on reaching the place a fight took place in a field belonging to the father of the prisoner Carson, in which the Carrolls were seriously assaulted, and injury being inflicted on the head of John Carroll with some weapon by James Eagleson.
It appeared from the evidence of the defence that Felix Carroll said he was the best man in the field, and Robert Carroll, his brother, said he would have some one’s life that night. John Carroll struck DUFFIN CARSON, who up to that time had not struck anyone. They then commenced to fight, and after going some distance down the field DUFFIN CARSON fell, when John Carroll was about to kick him, when a man named Wm. Campbell caught him, and prevented the kick being given. The jury acquitted the prisoners.

Looks like Duffin Carson's father owned a field in Belfast where they had the fight. Do you think that this  is the same Duffin Carson?

Tom

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Re: Duffin Carson of Belfast
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 October 09 21:25 BST (UK) »
here is two marriages for that name.

Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 14 May 1869
Groom Name duffin CARSON
Bride Name sarah jane MCKEOWN
Church Saint Annes Church of Ireland
Parish Shankill
Civil District Belfast
County Antrim


Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 9 Aug 1873
Groom Name duffin CARSON
Bride Name elizabeth MURRAY
Church Wellington Street Presbyterian Church
Parish Kirkinriola
Civil District Ballymena
County Antrim

 
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Re: Duffin Carson of Belfast
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 October 09 22:05 BST (UK) »
The 1873 Duffin Carson marriage could be the Duffin Carson I found in 1911 census (wife named Lizzie).
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Re: Duffin Carson of Belfast
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 06 October 09 10:21 BST (UK) »
aghadowey, Tom Piper , maryderry,
Thankyou all, for the helpyou have given me.
The first five hundred relatives were found on Scotlands People, I now have a better idea where to find my Irish relatives

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Greenock;McBride,Boyd,Carmichael,Muir,Carson,McCorquodale,MacLean,Connal,Duncan,McLachlan,Connal
Arran;McBride,Robertson,Kerr
Yoker;Duncan
Campbelltown;Stevenson,Duncan,Dunlop
Banffshire;Stevenson,McKenzie
Perthshire;Pride,Malcolm,Balfour
Fife;Pride,Malcolm
Northern Ireland;Carson,Coulter,McKeown,Boyd
Ayrshire...Muir
Dumbartonshire;McCorquodale,Millar
Lochwinnoch;Orr (Of the Kaim)
Lanarkshire;Duncan, Duckett (shoe shops)
Australia;Boyd,Duncan,Allan
Canada;McCorquodale of Vancouver

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Re: Duffin Carson of Belfast
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 October 09 18:31 BST (UK) »
Hi muckypup and others, I hope you don't mind me coming into this chat.

I have Carsons from Belfast too.  I thought that I'd get your views before posting on the main Antrim site.

My GGF was James Carson (b. c1859) The 1911 census shows him as being born in Belfast and living at 45 Appleton Street, St Helens, Lancs.  I'm eager to get further back, but am having difficulty as there are no relatives left to ask about family folklore.  The earliest I find him in England is his marriage on 1/11/1886 at Our Lady of Reconciliation, Eldan Street  Liverpool to Mary Bowland (a widow, nee Ronan, b. c1855 in Wexford).  His father is Robert, Coachman, and the certificate doesn't say thay he is deceased.  I can't find any record James in the 1881 England Census which may mean he was still in Belfast.

The little 'folklore' there is says that James and a brother (maybe a Robert) left Ireland with the hope of returning to collect their sisters.

Do you have any advice or information you can share?

Kit

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Duffin Carson of Ballee, Ballymena
« Reply #7 on: Friday 04 March 11 07:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi

MY G G Grandfather was Duffin Carson b 11/2/1851 b in Ballee, Ballymena  and d 15/8/1948 his wife was Elizabeth Murray (Lizzie) m 9/8/1873 Presbyterian Church, Wellington Street, Ballymena.  Their children were
Sarah, Margaret, Jane (Jennie), Annie, Lizzie,  May and Robert b 10.11.1884 d 26.12.1983 d Christchurch. NZ  married Maudie Elizabeth Quinn b 1884 Belfast and d 6.8.1915 in Christchurch NZ my G G Grandfather there may have been other children.  I have no record of Duffins parents - but believe there cousins were also Carsons, Duffins and Murrays as surname.  Would love any information - if you find any matches that dont relate or maybe its the same family - I was told there was out of Ballymena or Ballee - a place called Carsontown that is still farmed by cousins of our Carson family and there is a communal plot where a few Carsons are buried but no names,  Any help appreciated as I have hit a brick wall.  Picture is of Robert Carson & Maudie Quinn
Carson - Ballee, Ballymena, Ireland & New Zealand - also Murray, Duffin & Shaw connections to this family
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Re: Duffin Carson of Belfast
« Reply #8 on: Friday 04 March 11 08:22 GMT (UK) »
Duffin Carson’s marriage to Elizabeth Murray was registered in Ballymena 1873, Volume 11, page 139. If you order a copy, you should get the couple’s fathers.

This seems to be the family in the 1901 & 1911 censuses:

www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballymena_and_Town_and_Urban_District_of_Ballymena/Queen_Street/927124/

www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballymena_No__3_Urban/Queen_s_Street/118281/
Elwyn