Robert Smith Draper

[Andy Smith]

I am looking for any information off the scottish 1861 census. I think he was 10 or 11 years old  in 1861. His mother was Agnes Smith I don't know the father's name.. Agnes was born in 1820/21. She had a son called William ( I think) and another son called Samuekl who was 16 0r 17 years old in 1861. Can anybody help..

[AMBLY]

Hi Andy

Welcome to Rootschat  

Draper being the occupation - not another surname he was known as......

This is the family in 1881, which I guess you already have?

1881: 51 Frederick St  - Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland
RG11 /  Piece: 4998 / Folio: 50 / Page: 30
Head: Robert J SMITH 30, Draper, b Scotland
Wife: Annie SMITH 30, b Durham
Son: Henry SMITH 1, b Bishop Wearmouth Durham
Son: Robert J SMITH 5 mths, b Bishop Wearmouth Durham
Mother: Agnes SMITH 60, married, b Scotland
Brother: Samuel SMITH 26, unm, Draper, b Scotland

Note: Samuel is not 36 in this Census - he's written down 26 - born abt 1854/55

Robert J SMITH  & his wife Annie F SMITH & children are still in Bishop Wearmouth 1891.

MARRIAGE : Sunderland Jun Qtr 1879, 10a pg 593
Robert John SMITH & Ann Frances DAVIDSON on same page

By 1901, Annie is a widow with her children, in Durham.

DEATH: Robert J SMITH age 48
Sunderland Mar Qtr 1898 - 10a - pg311

Is there a particular reason you've posted this topic in the Aberdeen board - ie: do you have some indications the family was from Aberdeen?

Cheers
AMBLY

[Andy Smith]

Thank you for the Information you have given me..

I am looking for Anes Smith who has a son Called Samuel and Robert John Smith obviously.

The Aberdeen connection I think or Ayrshire but cannot be certain I need to see on the scottish census 1861.

[AMBLY]

I've searched and searched - but can't find a lead at all. Looking 1851, 1861, 1871 England and Scotland
(Of course, we are looking for common fornames & SMITH!)

There is also no telling if they are still in Scotland 1861.
By 1871 at age abt 20, if RJ was a Draper as in tailoring he might be in Apprenticeship anywhere. If he was a Draper as in shop, he might be down as a Grocer, merchant, etc etc.

I'm thinking Robert John's marriage certificate to acertain the name & occupation of his father, might have to be the next step?

http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/pages/registrars/

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

Hi Andy and Ambly

I had a look earlier. The only family I could find were nowhere near Aberdeenshire but in Dumfriesshire. There is this submitted entry on IGI:

Robert John Smith Birth: 06 AUG 1849  Broomhills, Applegarth, Dumfries - Parents James Smith and Agnes Scott.

This looks like this family in 1861 - big family!:

James Smith 42, Farmer Of 95 Ac (empl 6 Lab), b. Kirkmahoe Dumfrieshire
Agnes Smith 42, b. Wilton, Roxburghshire
Elisabeth Smith 18
William Smith 17
Jean Smith 16
Mary Smith 14
Robert Smith 11 b. Applegarth
James Smith 9
Samuel Smith 8
Thomas Smith 6
Helen Smith 5
Agnes Smith 2
David Smith 6 Months
George Smith 16, servant

Address: Broomhills, Applegarth

Mother Agnes' age fits, as does Robert's (who shows as Robert John on his submitted IGI entry) and there is a brother Samuel in the right age range.

I think you are going to have to obtain Robert's marriage cert, as suggested by Ambly, to confirm his  his father's name at least.

Monica 

[medicas]

Hi Andy and Ambly

I had a look earlier. The only family I could find were nowhere near Aberdeenshire but in Dumfriesshire. There is this submitted entry on IGI:

Robert John Smith Birth: 06 AUG 1849  Broomhills, Applegarth, Dumfries - Parents James Smith and Agnes Scott.

This looks like this family in 1861 - big family!:

James Smith 42, Farmer Of 95 Ac (empl 6 Lab), b. Kirkmahoe Dumfrieshire
Agnes Smith 42, b. Wilton, Roxburghshire
Elisabeth Smith 18


Hello Monica Robert smith is my  great great grandfather is son Robert j is my great Grandfather and his son heny is my grandfather my mother Ethel spoke about her grandfather often and visited them at Frederic street she is still alive aged 94 years

William Smith 17
Jean Smith 16
Mary Smith 14
Robert Smith 11 b. Applegarth
James Smith 9
Samuel Smith 8
Thomas Smith 6
Helen Smith 5
Agnes Smith 2
David Smith 6 Months
George Smith 16, servant

Address: Broomhills, Applegarth

Mother Agnes' age fits, as does Robert's (who shows as Robert John on his submitted IGI entry) and there is a brother Samuel in the right age range.

I think you are going to have to obtain Robert's marriage cert, as suggested by Ambly, to confirm his  his father's name at least.

Monica 

[medicas]

 Robert Smiths father was called James Smith

[MonicaL]

Hi Medicas

Welcome to RootsChat 

Andy Smith who posted originally on this has not been back on line here since October 2009. If their email contact details remain unchanged, they should receive notification of your post and hopefully post back.

Monica

[ras1969]

Monica

I have found the father of James Smith. His dad is Joseph and his mother is Janet Anderson. I have a Baptised Certificate 1818 March 5th but what is my next option to trace the father Joseph in Scotland.