Elsie BURGESS & Frederick HINES ???

[F.H.]

Hello all.

I really don't know how to go about this one so I'm open to offers...

I was led to believe that a great uncle of mine Frederick HEINS, born in Canning Town, East London on 19th Oct 1891 married a Elsie BURGESS.

On searching as much as I could I came across the marriage of Frederick HINES (spelt different) and Elsie BURGESS (seemed to much of a coincidence not to be the right couple) on the 19th March 1921 in The Parrish of St Michael Handsworth, Staffordshire.

On receiving the marriage certificate I am now not too sure as to whether this is my great uncle, as the name of his father is not correct on the certificate.

Elsie's father is down as "Charles BURGESS, occupation Turner".

The addresses that the couple put down on the marriage certificate are both the same, "48 Holliday Road, Handsworth"

I'm hoping that someone may be able to shed some light on this family by the name of BURGESS for me please.

This particular great uncle of mine has been very hard to trace. Apparently, after his marriage he and his wife go of to the USA but that's another story LOL.

As you can imagine, any little bit of information will be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
F H
 

[AMBLY]

Hi F H

How old was Elsie on the marriage cert?

Cheers
AMBLY

[F.H.]

Hi Ambly

Elsie was 23 years on the marriage cert.

F H

[AMBLY]

Elsie's father is down as "Charles BURGESS, occupation Turner".
The addresses that the couple put down on the marriage certificate are both the same, "48 Holliday Road, Handsworth"
I'm hoping that someone may be able to shed some light on this family by the name of BURGESS for me please.

Other topic looking for same:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,421308.0/topicseen.html
You've named her as as Elise Millicent BURGESS b abt 1899 - and now I see the 1921, marriage index is Elsie M BURGESS - so I'm gathering it does state "Millicent" in full on the actual document?

There is a birth registered Mar Qtr 1898 Birmingham, on FreeBMD:
Elsie Millicent BURGESS

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Hi FH

I think she was the daughter of Charles Henry BURGESS and Phoebe Elizabeth NEAL
who Married: Jun Qtr 1897 Birmingham - FreeBMD.

Phoebe, along with dau Elsie M and a son Arthur (all BURGESS)  is with her NEAL parents in 1901 - will just type it up for you.

Cheers
AMBLY

[F.H.]

Hi Ambly.

Yes, "Millicent" is her second name on the marriage cert.

F H

[AMBLY]

1901: 12 Ashbourne Road - Ladywood, Birmingham, Warwickshire
RG13/ Piece: 2827/ Folio: 141/ Page: 35.
Head: William NEAL 47, Metal Furnace?man, b Sleaford on Avon, Warks.
Wife: Emma NEAL 53, b Breedon, Glouc.
Dau: Lucy E NEAL 23, unm, Jeweller's Warehouse girl, b Birmingham
Dau: Emma M NEAL 21,unm, Glass Grader, b Birmingham
Dau: Lilian NEAL 18, unm, Board School Teacher, b Birmingham
Dau: Mary Ann NEAL 14, unm, Jeweller's Warehouse girl, b Birmingham
Dau: Phoebe E BURGESS 26, married, b Birmingham
Grand-Dau: Elsie M BURGESS 3, b Birmingham
Grandson: Arthur W BURGESS 1, b Birmingham

Will see if I can see where Charles Henry BURGESS is 

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Visiting his parents too 

1901: 45 Algernon Road, Ladywood, Birmingham, Warwickshire
RG13/ Piece: 2827/ Folio: 118/ Page: 30
Head: Charles BURGESS 52, Machine (Fitter) screw mill, b Dudley Worcestershire
Wife: Mary A BURGESS 46, b Bradley Staffs
Son: Charles H BURGESS 24, married, Engine Turner, b Birmingham
Dau: Mary E BURGESS 22, unm, b Birmingham
Dau: Elsie F BURGESS 19, unm, b Smethwick, Staffs

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Now here's a thing.....

There were  2 Charles H BURGESS on 1901 in Birmingham area. I think the one above is 'yours' but I took a  look at the Census  for the other one, just in case - he is  is listed as unmarried , Check out the street name and his little sister's name......sure to goodness, one would think there must be a connection , relatives perhaps???


1901: 203 Holliday Street, Birmingham St Martin, Warwickshire
RG13 /  Piece: 2834; / Folio: 110 / Page: 16
Wid: Sarah BURGESS 47, married *
Dau: Edith BURGESS 23, single, Dress Maker
Son: Charles H BURGESS 22, single, Brass Founder,
Dau: Kate E BURGESS 19, single, B....? Drawer,
Son: Richard BURGESS 17, single, Wood Machinist,
Dau:: N-ra--BURGESS 13,  (maybe supposed to be Norah, but doesn't really look like it to me? )
Dau: Elizabeth BURGESS 11,
Dau: Annie BURGESS 8,
Dau: Elsie M BURGESS 6,**
Dau: Nellie BURGESS 2,
ALL born Birmingham

* as enumerated: Listed as  relationship "Wid" instead of "Head", and as "M" married, rather than expected "W".
** Registered as Elsie May BURGESS 1895.

Also, Handworth changed in 1911, from being in Staffs, to becoming part of Warwickshire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Handsworth_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Handsworth/index.html

Cheers
AMBLY